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VANDOO · 24th October 2008, 06:49 AM

I AM FOR CONSERVATION OF RESOURCES ANIMAL SPECIES BEING ONE OF THEM. THE ECO SYSTEMS WERE SET UP BY A POWER MUCH GREATER THAN MANKIND AND WE ARE A PART OF IT. BUT LIKE THE ELEPHANT WE AS A SPECIES ARE UNDER THE SAME NATURAL LAWS.
TOO MANY ELEPHANTS FOR THEIR RANGE ? IF THEY ARE NOT THINNED OUT THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE DEPLEATED TOTALLY AND ALL ELEPHANTS THERE WILL DIE. THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY DONE IS A HERD OF ELEPHANTS THAT IS CLOSE TO THE SIZE CONSIDERED TO BE TOO MANY FOR THE AREA TO SUPPORT IS FOUND. IF THERE IS NO PLACE TO MOVE THEM, THEY ARE ALL KILLED AND THE IVORY BURNED. MANY TONS OF IVORY HAS BEEN BURNED SINCE THE BANS"VERY WASTFUL" IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOLD AND USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE REMAINING ELEPHANTS AND PERHAPS BUY MORE LAND.
ONE LAW WE AS A SPECIES CAN NEVER CONTROL IS (MORE OF US LESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE.)
THE MASTODON, MAMMOTH, GIANT SLOTH AND HORSE ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BECOME EXTINCT IN NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA LARGELY DUE TO THE LARGE NUMBERS OF HUMAN HUNTERS. EVIDENTLY SOME SPECIES WERE MORE PREFERRED OR EASY TO HUNT BY EARLY MAN. PERHAPS THEY WERE SINGLED OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE LARGE AND FEARSOM OR BECAUSE ONE WOULD FEED THE ENTIRE VILLAGE OR THEY MADE BETTER STEAKS AND FUR COATS

FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WERE HEAVILY HUNTED HERE AND COULD NOT WITHSTAND THE VARIOUS PRESSURES SO BECAME EXTINCT. EVIDENTLY THE IDEA OF DOMESTICATING ANIMALS DIDN'T CATCH ON IN THE AMERICAS AS WELL. WE HAD THE DOMESTICATED DOG AND I THINK JUNGLE FOWL WERE KEPT IN SOUTH AMERICA. HORSES WERE JUST TOO TASTY TO DOMESTICATE I GUESS

WE HAD TO SEND OUT TO SPAIN TO BRING US SOME MORE.

GAME MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE DONE IN A CAREFUL, LOGICAL, AND EFFECIENT WAY ANY RESOURSES SHOULD BE USED AND PUT BACK INTO THE OPERATION NOT WASTED. EMOTION SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE MAIN PLAN JUST STUDY THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ANIMALS THERE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP THE SYSTEM WORKING AND ALL PARTS OF IT SHOULD PROSPER.
THE BAN IS A TOOL THAT SOMETIMES WORKS AND HELPS AND SOMETIMES DOES NOT. IF SOMETHING IS WASTEFUL OR IS NOT WORKING IT SHOULD BE REORGANIZED AND FIXED NOT JUST PUT A BAN BECAUSE IT IS EASY AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. MY MAJOR WAS MARINE ZOOLOGY AND OCEANOGRAPHY SO I UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK BUT THE SHOTGUN APPROCH TO ECOLOGY DOSEN'T WORK VERY WELL IN MANY INSTANCES. THE UNEDUCATED, EMOTIONAL, AND UNREALISTIC IDEAS OFTEN FORCE THRU BAD POLICYS THAT WORK POORLY.
FOR EXAMPLE
SOME PERSON OR GROUP WHO LOVES PANDAS BECAUSE THEY ARE CUTE AND CUDDELY LOOKING IS NOT THE ONES TO PUT IN CHARGE OF THE PANDA OR OF MAKEING UP THE RULES. SOMEONE WHO HAS STUDIED AND LIVED AROUND THE PANDA AND KNOWS HOW IT LIVES AND WHAT IT NEEDS IS THE PERSON TO MAKE THE RULES AND WATCH OVER THEM. I THINK THE CHINESE ARE FOLLOWING THE SECOND AND MOST LOGICAL CHOICE AS FAR AS THE PANDA GOES SO THEY ARE HAVEING SUCCESS PERSERVING PANDAS AND MAKEING MONEY DOING IT.
BUT IT WILL STILL COME DOWN TO (MORE OF US LESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE) WHEN MAN NEEDS THE LAND OR RESOURCE WHATEVER IS THERE MUST GO .
MOTHER NATURE IS WORKING ON THINNING US OUT WITH GERMS, VIRIUS AND OUR BAD INSTINTS THAT KEEP US HATEING THE OTHER GUY AND GOING TO WAR AND DESIGNING BETTER WAYS TO EXTERMINATE EACH OTHER. SO EVENTUALLY A BALANCE WILL BE REACHED DESPITE OF OR BECAUSE OF OUR TECKNOLOGY.

BANNING IVORY ON EBAY NO BIG DEAL
CONFICATEING A 100 TO 200 YEAR OLD IVORY MASTERPIECE AND BURNING IT SACRILEGE.!!

24th October 2008, 06:49 AM	#32
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM FOR CONSERVATION OF RESOURCES ANIMAL SPECIES BEING ONE OF THEM. THE ECO SYSTEMS WERE SET UP BY A POWER MUCH GREATER THAN MANKIND AND WE ARE A PART OF IT. BUT LIKE THE ELEPHANT WE AS A SPECIES ARE UNDER THE SAME NATURAL LAWS. TOO MANY ELEPHANTS FOR THEIR RANGE ? IF THEY ARE NOT THINNED OUT THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE DEPLEATED TOTALLY AND ALL ELEPHANTS THERE WILL DIE. THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY DONE IS A HERD OF ELEPHANTS THAT IS CLOSE TO THE SIZE CONSIDERED TO BE TOO MANY FOR THE AREA TO SUPPORT IS FOUND. IF THERE IS NO PLACE TO MOVE THEM, THEY ARE ALL KILLED AND THE IVORY BURNED. MANY TONS OF IVORY HAS BEEN BURNED SINCE THE BANS"VERY WASTFUL" IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOLD AND USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE REMAINING ELEPHANTS AND PERHAPS BUY MORE LAND. ONE LAW WE AS A SPECIES CAN NEVER CONTROL IS (MORE OF US LESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE.) THE MASTODON, MAMMOTH, GIANT SLOTH AND HORSE ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BECOME EXTINCT IN NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA LARGELY DUE TO THE LARGE NUMBERS OF HUMAN HUNTERS. EVIDENTLY SOME SPECIES WERE MORE PREFERRED OR EASY TO HUNT BY EARLY MAN. PERHAPS THEY WERE SINGLED OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE LARGE AND FEARSOM OR BECAUSE ONE WOULD FEED THE ENTIRE VILLAGE OR THEY MADE BETTER STEAKS AND FUR COATS FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WERE HEAVILY HUNTED HERE AND COULD NOT WITHSTAND THE VARIOUS PRESSURES SO BECAME EXTINCT. EVIDENTLY THE IDEA OF DOMESTICATING ANIMALS DIDN'T CATCH ON IN THE AMERICAS AS WELL. WE HAD THE DOMESTICATED DOG AND I THINK JUNGLE FOWL WERE KEPT IN SOUTH AMERICA. HORSES WERE JUST TOO TASTY TO DOMESTICATE I GUESS WE HAD TO SEND OUT TO SPAIN TO BRING US SOME MORE. GAME MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE DONE IN A CAREFUL, LOGICAL, AND EFFECIENT WAY ANY RESOURSES SHOULD BE USED AND PUT BACK INTO THE OPERATION NOT WASTED. EMOTION SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE MAIN PLAN JUST STUDY THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ANIMALS THERE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP THE SYSTEM WORKING AND ALL PARTS OF IT SHOULD PROSPER. THE BAN IS A TOOL THAT SOMETIMES WORKS AND HELPS AND SOMETIMES DOES NOT. IF SOMETHING IS WASTEFUL OR IS NOT WORKING IT SHOULD BE REORGANIZED AND FIXED NOT JUST PUT A BAN BECAUSE IT IS EASY AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. MY MAJOR WAS MARINE ZOOLOGY AND OCEANOGRAPHY SO I UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK BUT THE SHOTGUN APPROCH TO ECOLOGY DOSEN'T WORK VERY WELL IN MANY INSTANCES. THE UNEDUCATED, EMOTIONAL, AND UNREALISTIC IDEAS OFTEN FORCE THRU BAD POLICYS THAT WORK POORLY. FOR EXAMPLE SOME PERSON OR GROUP WHO LOVES PANDAS BECAUSE THEY ARE CUTE AND CUDDELY LOOKING IS NOT THE ONES TO PUT IN CHARGE OF THE PANDA OR OF MAKEING UP THE RULES. SOMEONE WHO HAS STUDIED AND LIVED AROUND THE PANDA AND KNOWS HOW IT LIVES AND WHAT IT NEEDS IS THE PERSON TO MAKE THE RULES AND WATCH OVER THEM. I THINK THE CHINESE ARE FOLLOWING THE SECOND AND MOST LOGICAL CHOICE AS FAR AS THE PANDA GOES SO THEY ARE HAVEING SUCCESS PERSERVING PANDAS AND MAKEING MONEY DOING IT. BUT IT WILL STILL COME DOWN TO (MORE OF US LESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE) WHEN MAN NEEDS THE LAND OR RESOURCE WHATEVER IS THERE MUST GO . MOTHER NATURE IS WORKING ON THINNING US OUT WITH GERMS, VIRIUS AND OUR BAD INSTINTS THAT KEEP US HATEING THE OTHER GUY AND GOING TO WAR AND DESIGNING BETTER WAYS TO EXTERMINATE EACH OTHER. SO EVENTUALLY A BALANCE WILL BE REACHED DESPITE OF OR BECAUSE OF OUR TECKNOLOGY. BANNING IVORY ON EBAY NO BIG DEAL CONFICATEING A 100 TO 200 YEAR OLD IVORY MASTERPIECE AND BURNING IT SACRILEGE.!!