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Originally Posted by Newsteel
Interesting to know that the Kraton Pakem does not list keris with Luk 1, as it should be Luk 3 onwards. This was also recognised by older books written. But I find the later books to be otherwise including example like one posted by Semar, called as dapur Luk 1. Is that dapur Sengkol? 
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I think that you may have missed Alan's point. If Semar's keris is outside of any accepted kraton pakem i don't think you can call it by any accepted dhapur, can you?
"Semar's keris is outside the guidelines, thus in the strictest sense, and most certainly for application of any of the protocol that is used in keris appraisal, this cannot be appraised as one would appraise a keris."