Ethnographic Arms & Armour - View Single Post - Late 16 C Kilij / Pala blade for discussion

erlikhan · 22nd July 2007, 04:21 PM

I would look for a real 16th c. Ottoman expert to get assistance,about the correctness of the inscription,its grammer and caligraphy . We have been seeing samples certainly from 18th c. but which have 16th c. datings.
My general & amateurical opinion,16th c. was very glorious for Ottoman Turks and arms of that period could possibly gain demand in collapsing, unsuccesful 18th or 19th. centuries in parallel to the miss for those glorious old times, and such swords with earlier inscriptions can perhaps be named as "antique fakes ", not? But yours is lovely, even lovely enough to belong to a grand vizir, -or to invest long time and skill cost to produce as a convincing fake -not today for sure but 1-2 centuries ago-, to sell for a very high price. I doubt about the earlier cartuche traces. It should be very easy for a skilled 16th c. artist to remove those traces (I guess like the one signed in the attached picture) completely ,or to restore them in a harmony with his own golden decoration on the blade if he or his customer wishes to save them. Why would he leave them as they were ?

regards

22nd July 2007, 04:21 PM	#3
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	I would look for a real 16th c. Ottoman expert to get assistance,about the correctness of the inscription,its grammer and caligraphy . We have been seeing samples certainly from 18th c. but which have 16th c. datings. My general & amateurical opinion,16th c. was very glorious for Ottoman Turks and arms of that period could possibly gain demand in collapsing, unsuccesful 18th or 19th. centuries in parallel to the miss for those glorious old times, and such swords with earlier inscriptions can perhaps be named as "antique fakes ", not? But yours is lovely, even lovely enough to belong to a grand vizir, -or to invest long time and skill cost to produce as a convincing fake -not today for sure but 1-2 centuries ago-, to sell for a very high price. I doubt about the earlier cartuche traces. It should be very easy for a skilled 16th c. artist to remove those traces (I guess like the one signed in the attached picture) completely ,or to restore them in a harmony with his own golden decoration on the blade if he or his customer wishes to save them. Why would he leave them as they were ? regards Attached Images Last edited by erlikhan; 22nd July 2007 at 10:48 PM.