Hi Detlef,
I was looking through Albert v. Zonneveld's book on Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago and thought that they most closely resembled swords from Pantar (which he called type b). The condition issues are a little concerning. The corrosion of the blade on the second one looks to have caused some pitting, and the condition of its wooden scabbard might include some dry rot. They need some TLC.
Regards, Ian
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