Ian, the gentleman who had been a spiritual advisor to President Sukarno held high interest in the keris, he collected keris and had a considerable collection of keris, however he was not an ahli keris, & to my limited knowledge he had only very slight knowledge of the aspects of the keris that underpin keris knowledge, understanding & belief in Central Jawa.
My neighbour was a Hungarian, he had no knowledge of keris at all.
So, it would be fair to assume that something other than what could be seen did generate the results of these men handling that particular keris.
It should be noted that in the case of my neighbour, the keris itself flew violently from his hand as soon as he attempted to pick it up, he did not throw it, or drop it, he attempted to pick it up and it flew and hit the wall --- actually it hit the wall quite hard, my house at that time was an old stone house, the internal walls were hard plaster on stone, the keris hitting the wall chipped the plaster.
What happened with the presidential advisor was that I handed the keris to him, he took it by the hilt, but as soon as he touched the blade he reacted as if he had been burnt and he dropped the keris on the floor.
This keris has no real effect on me at all --- other than as previously described, & that is only a very faint "maybe" reaction, and it has been handled by other people, again with no effect.
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