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Originally Posted by serdar
I cant write about me and my credentials, it would take lots of time and efort, but they exist, but if anyone of you awdani or jim are ready to take bet on proving that this is persian and not karabela, im ready to host you and put one milion on bet, you put 10% of that and its ok, or dont write noncenses.
No one with healthy mind cant say something about sword by picture only, not even some old colectors from my country.
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Possibly you might read more thoroughly as well, and obviously no conclusions can be asserted without hands on examination. I am so glad that you finally decided to write after lurking all these years, and denying us all your expertise, and I dont mean that sarcsastically. What is unfortunate is your notably contentious tone, which is unnecessary, obviously English is not your native language, but as you note, you do quite well.
I have NEVER said this blade was Persian, but in SHAMSHIR style. it seems apparent, even to a novice such as I, that it is not Persian, but seems intended to imitate them. This I would note is my opinion only, not intended as b/s.
Like the hilt, it is karabela like, but made in imitation, and as you note, hard to say how old from photos. In all you posts you note examples that are less than genuine, so you seem to have a viable awareness of such characteristics. It can be called karabela, why not? It is similar, though not EXACT.
Your very personal insults are unfortunate and unnecessary. I do not feel that posting information and researched material in order to augment a discussion is biased or b/s. For someone with your credentials and lauded background, those comments seem a bit disappointing.
While we try to post 'opinions' in hopes of constructive discussion, I do not believe we have been 'assertive' and these are posted openly and expecting other views.
What is nonsense is this waste of time with personality issues. As I have noted I would welcome your posting of earlier (than 17th century) ITALIAN (not German as you originally said) blades like this of SHAMSHIR TYPE.
It would not be surprising to see a karabela TYPE hilt produced in Italian regions as Ottoman and Persian weapons were highly prized.
In Arabia as well, I have seen many sabers with hilts, guards produced in such forms and Persian blades were as noted highly prized.
Hopefully we can get this back on better course.
BTW: a dilettante is defined as a person who cultivates an area of interest but without real commitment or knowledge. While I may not have 'credentials' I have committed to the study of arms history most of my life and with a passion to learn. While I have gained a good deal of knowledge which is of course a work in progress. Even with well over 50 years of study I find far more questions with every answer I discover. Just FYI.
PS I will continue seeking the marking you show on this blade. While I have most of the compendiums, the records of markings are comprehensive, but barely scratch the surface of the vast numbers that were used. The notion that every maker had a distinct marking which was recorded by a guild is hardly the case overall. The spurious use of markings was rampant and these kinds of uses resulted in unusual variations and incongruent pairings of marks as originally intended.