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Originally Posted by David
Ian, I agree with you that this is a Moro blade, but aside from the somewhat unusual ferrule i don't really see anything in particular that would place this hilt in Malay culture. Also, most Malay Peninsula Sundangs don't have asang asang.
If the horizontal lines you are referring to are the ones on the front of the gonjo (gangya in Moro terms), these lines are indeed often present in Javanese keris of the Banten period (16-17th century) as well as Balinese keris.
But you can also find these lines on well made Moro kris from the late 19th century.
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David,
Thank you very much for this reply. As far as a Malay attribution, I believe there are Malay blades that have
asang asang. Whether these are Malay blades repurposed by Moros, or Malay blades made for Malays that have
asang asang, is unclear. See also
here. As I look at what I believe to be Malay
sundang blades, these tend to be straight and a little wider than most Moro
sundang, and usually have a central groove that runs almost the length of the blade. Is that your experience also?
I would reference the blade for item A-9 (in the panoply above, post #8) as being in the Malay style but perhaps of Moro manufacture. It has a central groove with a double-chevron, twist-core pattern, and an atypical gold (?) hilt, which appears to have been restricted to high nobility owners. There are pictures of Datu Piang and a Maguindanao Sultan having swords with similar hilts. Our fellow forumite, Battara, has another example with the same hilt style that he posted here a long time ago.
I have not seen Malay
sundang with classical
sogokan or
blumbangan, although longitudinal ridges and grooves starting adjacent to the
gangya and running various lengths down the blade seem common. Looking at hilts on Malay
sundang, I find them sometimes hard to distinguish from Sulu hilts. A small round ferrule, perhaps imitating a
mendek, appears to be a consistent feature on Malay
sundang, as well as a somewhat "fatter" grip section often bound with cord and sometimes segmented into three sections by raised metal rings. Most Malay
sundang appear to be crowned by a simple
kakatua pommel with side panels, with ivory being a common material. Please tell me if I am mistaken about any of these features.
The picture you posted appears to be a Sulu or Maguindanao
sundang showing twin lines below the concave edge of the
gandik, and another pair of lines at the bottom end of the
gangya (
cocor). It is interesting that you note these styles present on 16-17th C Javanese
keris. This helps, I think, in understanding why some of the so-called "archaic Moro
kris" show these features fairly consistently.
Could you post pictures of a 16-17th Javanese
kris showing these lines below the
gandik and on the
gangya?
Thanks David.
Regards,
Ian.