Blade length, weights, balance point info, and full length pics would help. The backsword one is more side sword than rapier looking, I'd guess it's the shorter one too. And I could be wrong. The double-edged one looks more rapier-ish, and the markings on the forte deserve close-ups. close-ups of the blade tips would also help. They could be repurposed blades with more decorative Victorian revival hilts, or, I suspect, maybe older than you think. But not really my area of expertise, tho I like them a lot, tho that may change with more info
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