|  7th January 2012, 02:17 PM | #12 | 
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					Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
					
				 David, yes, only women attached to a court were expected to kill themselves in the event that the court was overrun by an enemy. That's the purpose of the patrem:- to kill oneself.
 Ben, 'sandang', or properly 'sandhang', means 'clothing'. 'Walikat' means 'rib'. Thus, "rib dress". Maybe because it resembles a rib, maybe because it is most often worn under a jacket, next to the ribs.
 
 In East Jawa they often make SW with a separate gandar, and sometimes a pendok, in Central Jawa it should be one piece.
 |  Alan, by this statement, wouldnt it be proper also to say that all genuinely old made patrems are kraton empu made?
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