[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]Oh, I see.
Those people.
Interesting.
Yes, you would be wise to keep that additional information to yourself.
Incidentally Penangsang, you have used the word "sifir" several times. I can guess what you mean by the use of this word, but I do not know the word. I have asked four native speakers of Javanese, two from East Jawa, two from Central Jawa, and they do not recognise the word. I have checked six Javanese dictionaries and I cannot find the word.
Can you tell me what language, or dialect this word comes from?
According to the family three of the Magetan Clan, they were the descendants of the famous Srimanganti hall / Mpu Tamam during HBV reign, and disassociate themselves from the kraton (by moving to Magetan) after the Perang Jawa (Pangeran Diponegoro-VOC) broke out. Ever since, they associate themselves with pesantren people.
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