Ethnographic Arms & Armour - View Single Post - No SLOROK / WOJO for keris sepuh??? Really???

A. G. Maisey · 31st August 2010, 12:54 AM

Neo, prior to writing this response I have been back into the previous threads that you have contributed to, and I have read those threads.

I have looked at the site that is associated with the link you have provided in this current thread.

I have read the opinions of the owner of this site, and associated correspondence, which is to be found at :-

http://mykeris.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/memiliki-keris/

I am not going to get bogged down in discussion of the examples given in the link you have provided, however, I will say this:-

old keris of the Buda type almost never have a core; the concept of "old" in this context means prior to +/- 1300AD, however, this time estimate is very subject to the application of circular reasoning, so it is necessary to be as objective and as logical as possible

some keris of more recent periods also do not have a core

the presence or absence of a blade core in a keris of any period cannot be understood in isolation as an indicator of its age

I understand that your dominant desire in respect of keris knowledge is to be able to differentiate between genuine older blades, and blades that have been treated, or altered, in some way or another, with the intent to deceive a prospective buyer into the belief that the blade is something that it is not.

We have already given you a very comprehensive and accurate answer to this question. I would suggest a re-reading of this thread:-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12057

you will find the answers to your questions there.

In summary it is only possible to gain the knowledge you seek by long term experience and instruction from knowledgeable teachers with access to the requisite examples.Even this is no guarantee that you will never make a mistake.

31st August 2010, 12:54 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Neo, prior to writing this response I have been back into the previous threads that you have contributed to, and I have read those threads. I have looked at the site that is associated with the link you have provided in this current thread. I have read the opinions of the owner of this site, and associated correspondence, which is to be found at :- http://mykeris.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/memiliki-keris/ I am not going to get bogged down in discussion of the examples given in the link you have provided, however, I will say this:- old keris of the Buda type almost never have a core; the concept of "old" in this context means prior to +/- 1300AD, however, this time estimate is very subject to the application of circular reasoning, so it is necessary to be as objective and as logical as possible some keris of more recent periods also do not have a core the presence or absence of a blade core in a keris of any period cannot be understood in isolation as an indicator of its age I understand that your dominant desire in respect of keris knowledge is to be able to differentiate between genuine older blades, and blades that have been treated, or altered, in some way or another, with the intent to deceive a prospective buyer into the belief that the blade is something that it is not. We have already given you a very comprehensive and accurate answer to this question. I would suggest a re-reading of this thread:- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12057 you will find the answers to your questions there. In summary it is only possible to gain the knowledge you seek by long term experience and instruction from knowledgeable teachers with access to the requisite examples.Even this is no guarantee that you will never make a mistake.