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Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 10:55 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Exactly so David. Even the highly respected...

Exactly so David.

Even the highly respected Surakarta Pakem book is at variance with popular opinion in many respects.

The whole thing is this:- with keris there is no universal standard that...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 09:01 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 820
Posted By A. G. Maisey
For the kebo style keris I'd be inclined to give...

For the kebo style keris I'd be inclined to give it as Kebo Dengen Luk Sembilan.

But there is a problem in that Kebo Dengen should be Luk Lima & it should not have an ada-ada.

In any case, the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 08:49 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Hilt:- marine ivory.

Hilt:- marine ivory.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 11:14 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
I forgot the picture. I've taken the liberty...

I forgot the picture.

I've taken the liberty of altering the blade orientation to make it easier to read, as we can see, it would be quite difficult to convince anybody that this blade displays...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 11:10 AM
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Views: 736
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I like this keris, but it does have some elements...

I like this keris, but it does have some elements that perhaps deserve
comment.

The hilt is a fairly conventional donoriko, & as Milandro has commented, the selut & mendak are recent. Together...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 30th October 2024, 03:45 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 2,870
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Perhaps these little bits of material were put in...

Perhaps these little bits of material were put in place in order to achieve a neat mating of the mendak to the hilt.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th October 2024, 07:58 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,431
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yep. Complex. Keris are not something...

Yep.

Complex.

Keris are not something we can come to terms with in a short period of time, & this is something that frustrates many people and causes them to look for more easily understand...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th October 2024, 03:32 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,431
Posted By A. G. Maisey
To classify a keris blade we do not use style...

To classify a keris blade we do not use style alone, & I agree that we cannot use just style to provide the probability of geographic point of origin of a keris blade. This is the reason I qualified...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th October 2024, 12:53 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 2,431
Posted By A. G. Maisey
There is really no room for doubt about this...

There is really no room for doubt about this keris blade, not so much for what it is, but rather for what it is not.

Stylistically it is definitely not Bugis.

No experienced student of the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 15th October 2024, 08:10 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 7,878
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Agreed.

Agreed.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 11th October 2024, 09:23 PM
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Views: 11,055
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Very nice Anthony, but do you think that perhaps...

Very nice Anthony, but do you think that perhaps a nice East Jawa or North Coast mendak might suit better?
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 9th October 2024, 08:23 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 30,623
Posted By A. G. Maisey
That "Origin" paper is pretty old, the core of...

That "Origin" paper is pretty old, the core of it, I think I can still support, but it really needs to be rechurned.

Hugh, the simple answer to your question is that I do not know why most keris...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th October 2024, 11:34 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 5,793
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Superb. Thank you.

Superb.

Thank you.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 5th October 2024, 09:21 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 30,623
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Perhaps no general conclusion, but my own...

Perhaps no general conclusion, but my own conclusion is very simple:- money.

Smiths work for a living.

The cheaper one makes something, the cheaper one can sell it, the more sales that can be...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 5th October 2024, 08:22 AM
Replies: 18
Views: 17,506
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yep.

Yep.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 1st October 2024, 09:20 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 21,179
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Martin:- "An annotated bibliography of...

Martin:-

"An annotated bibliography of Indonesian, Filipino & Malay Edged Weapons"
T. D. Rogers, C Zwartenkop Art Books -- Leiden, 2015, ISBN/EAN 978-90-5450-014-8

This is a truly excellent...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 30th September 2024, 10:39 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 21,179
Posted By A. G. Maisey
David, what you have written here is, I believe,...

David, what you have written here is, I believe, very true. I think of the matter itself as being a bit of a Catch 22 situation:-

there is a tremendous quantity of information about keris (& other...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th September 2024, 10:00 PM
Replies: 18
Views: 17,506
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I believe that we are dealing with a matter of...

I believe that we are dealing with a matter of perspective:- if one is a collector of European edged weapons, then this pedang is not a European edged weapon, thus it has no place in a collection of...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 28th September 2024, 04:36 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 17,821
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Maybe, maybe not. Of course, if one is of a...

Maybe, maybe not.

Of course, if one is of a slightly superstitious nature one would opine that one got exactly the keris one was intended to get, & the other keris was really meant for somebody...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 28th September 2024, 04:33 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 30,623
Posted By A. G. Maisey
The waves in the blade of a keris are called...

The waves in the blade of a keris are called "luk".

"Lima" is the number 5.

"Luk Lima" is "five wave".

The present method of wave count is to begin on the first wave above the gandhik and...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 27th September 2024, 11:22 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 21,179
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Patrick, I've had a look at this site, and I...

Patrick, I've had a look at this site, and I would appreciate your further comments.

It seems to me that the objective of this site is to provide a place for the online publication of writings ---...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th September 2024, 03:36 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 24,103
Posted By A. G. Maisey
There are a number of little things in this blade...

There are a number of little things in this blade that i would accept in a lower quality Madura blade, but the principal thing that causes Madura to enter my mind is the angle of the gandhik,...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 18th September 2024, 12:35 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 24,103
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Thank you Martin, yes, they're not too bad, I...

Thank you Martin, yes, they're not too bad, I agree.

A bit difficult to get this now though.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th September 2024, 11:20 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 24,103
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Here are a couple of examples of burl teak/jati...

Here are a couple of examples of burl teak/jati gembol.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 14th September 2024, 10:33 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 24,103
Posted By A. G. Maisey
The dress is certainly Jogja, I'm away from my...

The dress is certainly Jogja, I'm away from my references at the moment so I cannot give the wanda of the hilt.

The wood in the wrongko is definitely not burl teak (jati gembol). I cannot ID it...
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