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scratch 18th August 2008 08:13 AM

Sulu kris
 
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G'day :)
Would this be a middle period or archaic period kris?
Pre 1850's?
To me, a piece with some prescense regardless.
I have stained kris.

Kind regards to all,

Daniel
:)

scratch 18th August 2008 11:43 AM

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Nice shapes.

Flavio 18th August 2008 12:54 PM

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HelloDaniel, could you post a close up of the gangya area, I think that this will help to understand better the age of your kris :)

Regards

FLavio

scratch 18th August 2008 01:17 PM

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Thanks for your interest Flavio.
Blade is light, 22 oz
Blade length 20 1/16 in
Overall length 24 3/4 in
To me, it is craft and art.
If all these photos are too many I will delete if required.
I have included some pre stain photos.
The blade also has a slight swollen tip.
Cheers :)

Dan

mross 18th August 2008 07:34 PM

Looks to be what I would put in the transition category. I say early 1800's. This
thread;

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6853

might be of interest. A very similiar kris.

Battara 19th August 2008 01:45 AM

I agree with MROSS and definitely Sulu with the front part of the ganga and the style used in the ferrule.

A great piece - congratulations! :D

BTW - the scabbard is later.

PenangsangII 19th August 2008 04:04 AM

beautiful kris sundang (Malay term). Congrats Scratch

Rick 19th August 2008 04:12 AM

Hi Scratch,
I don't mean to criticise but the stain looks all wrong .
I'm so sorry to bring this up . :o
What did you stain the blade with ?

David 19th August 2008 04:46 AM

I suspect that scratch may have used arsenic and lime like he did with his "Balinese" keris. If so Scratch, that would be a "mistake" of sorts. Vinegar would give a more "correct" result for a Moro kris. :shrug:

scratch 19th August 2008 11:25 AM

Thank you for your interest and imput Gentlemen :)
Were kris pruduced by empu? I find the quality and artistry a testament to the skill of its maker. Battara, thanks for the Sulu confirmation :)
Rick, no problems, I was waiting for the hammer to fall :) David, Spot on :D I thought some of the metal looked like it was designed to take a pamor stain. I wondered if such cross polination of staining etching techniques could have been used in period. Curiosity got the better of me and these are the result.I was surprised to get result. I mean no disrespect by my use of warangan on this blade. To me it look quite stunning in hand, camoflaged too :shrug:
Thanks for your replies Mross, Hello PenangsangII
What are the geometric sparkles/crystals in blade?

Thanks for the communication,

Dan :)

tunggulametung 19th August 2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scratch
What are the geometric sparkles/crystals in blade?

Hello scratch,
Good looking kris there!

Here is an earlier thread related with your question: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5092

Spunjer 19th August 2008 03:57 PM

thanks for posting the pics, scratch. our handles are pretty similar. i really like the weaving pattern done on the handle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...r/c415ba4e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...r/bbd5f27a.jpg


i always wonder if the tail on the pommel broke off, but then again, for something that doesn't even protrude that much, why would it even break? i've thought about perhaps it was design that way to begin with...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...r/a67b13eb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...r/1e60cf34.jpg

Newsteel 20th August 2008 02:00 AM

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Nice Sulu kris there. Good catch!! Yup, I must agree that most Moro kris do not have good results after using arsenic (warangan) as it may turn splotchy at some areas. Very dirty look. But personnal I have seen only one piece which turn out to be very outstanding after using warangan etching.

I am also curious about the bottom stem. I think this is not common.

Battara 20th August 2008 02:29 AM

And to make the point, Moro did not use arsenic......

scratch 23rd August 2008 03:15 PM

G'day :)
Tunggulametung, Thanks for the link! That is what I was looking for.
A beautiful piece Spunger! Thank you for sharing. I find kakatua/cockatoo pommel visually appealing. I recall some lovely barongs you posted, I think.
Newsteel and Battarra, Thanks for your historical accuracy, And I take the point about blochiness :) Piece can easily be rendered stain free I think.
Scabbard has received some restoration to lower half I think :shrug:

Thank you for your time,

Kind regards,

Daniel :)

Battara 23rd August 2008 06:08 PM

Use 220 or 240 grit sand paper (no lower) and that will get the stain off, but then you can restain with lime juice or ferrous cloride (low concentration).


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