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Alam Shah 14th March 2008 05:47 AM

Hilt Form Origin
 
Nothing here to compare! :eek: instead...

where's the origin of this hilt form? I believe it's Sumatra, but which part?
what is it?
what does it represent? :confused:

http://alamshah.fotopic.net/p32021335.html
http://alamshah.fotopic.net/p32021334.html
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A. G. Maisey 18th March 2008 06:01 AM

Shahrial, what has happened to the blades you had here?

I noted them when you posted and I've been waiting for somebody else to comment. Nobody has, so I came back to float an opinion, and they've disappeared.

In any case, I've got a fair memory of them. I think both are probably recent, one has been treated to age the surface, possibly both are from the same maker.

I could change my opinion if I had them in my hand, this present opinion is based on what I can see in the photo.

Alam Shah 18th March 2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
Shahrial, what has happened to the blades you had here?

I noted them when you posted and I've been waiting for somebody else to comment. Nobody has, so I came back to float an opinion, and they've disappeared.

In any case, I've got a fair memory of them. I think both are probably recent, one has been treated to age the surface, possibly both are from the same maker.

I could change my opinion if I had them in my hand, this present opinion is based on what I can see in the photo.

Sorry Alan,

I've posted without prior permission from the owner, therefore I apologise. :o
Yes, my sentiments exactly... good memory. Thanks. ;)

How about the hilt. Any ideas?

BluErf 18th March 2008 03:14 PM

Dave has a keris with a similar hilt form. It was collected in Riau. But no one knows exactly where the hilt form came from, but judging from the flow of the hilt, can't be too far up north.

Alam Shah 18th March 2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf
Dave has a keris with a similar hilt form. It was collected in Riau. But no one knows exactly where the hilt form came from, but judging from the flow of the hilt, can't be too far up north.

Thanks Kai Wee. Yes, I've seen Dave's hilt in the flesh. Similar with finer finishing. :)
That seems to be the other known example for me.

A. G. Maisey 18th March 2008 10:18 PM

Sorry Shahrial, I don't remember the hilts, or the scabbards.

I remember the shape of the sogokan, the rondha, the gandik, I remember the texture of the material, I remember the pawakan---in fact, I could probably draw the blade from memory, but I do not remember any of the dress items.Sorry.

David 19th March 2008 01:00 AM

Alan, i think Shahrial is referring to the hilts pictured in the first post in this thread. :)

A. G. Maisey 19th March 2008 01:18 AM

Oh---sorry.

No idea on these.

My background and experience simply categorises these as a Bugis variation.

Alam Shah 19th March 2008 01:47 AM

Conversation with friends, simply refer this hilt form as 'ultraman' (unofficial, of course).:D

A. G. Maisey 19th March 2008 01:50 AM

"ultraman"?

artinya?

Like Superman, maybe?

Alam Shah 19th March 2008 02:00 AM

Ultraman (wiki)
Ultraman (in action) :D reminds me of my childhood days. ;)

A. G. Maisey 19th March 2008 03:04 AM

OK---so my facetious remark was close to the truth?

What is the connection with the hilt, though?

David 19th March 2008 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah
Ultraman (wiki)
Ultraman (in action) :D reminds me of my childhood days. ;)

Thank you Shahrial, for that wonderful trip down memory lane. :D

Alam Shah 19th March 2008 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
... What is the connection with the hilt, though?

Just that it's facial features; big bulging eyes with a headgear of sort, nose (or beak) and ultraman's type mouth... (might be imaginary, though).

Generally, still not much clue except that it's probably Riau, Sumatra. :confused:
Most likely a variant of the Bugis hilt form.

A. G. Maisey 19th March 2008 04:39 AM

OK---got it. Thanks.


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