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rand 1st November 2007 12:46 AM

Tugra on Yataghan
 
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Amal-e Mohammad Falae
Saheb Abdollah

Translation thanks to Manouchehr



Am looking for another yataghan that is published or a photo of with this style of Tugra....

Thanks,

rand

Battara 1st November 2007 01:21 AM

AH....Mahmud "the Reformer".......

Had a yat from that time period once......(may still have a coin from then too)..

rand 2nd November 2007 03:37 AM

Tughra
 
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Hey Battara,


What am wanting to determine is if the style of Tughra on the abobe yataghan is a commmen type used or uncommen.

What I think of as a stylized tughra is very commen on yataghan's, have an attached example of the type I think of as a stylized tughra.

It translates to "Amal-e Ibrahim Bashi
Saheb Mostafa"



rand

eftihis 2nd November 2007 11:00 AM

Hallo Rand, have a look at this old thread,
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+hilt+yataghan
There is a nice gold tugra on the last yataghan.
Regards, EFtihis

rand 2nd November 2007 05:03 PM

Tughra
 
Thanks Eftihis,

That was exactly the type of information I am looking for. Any thoughts on what the meaning of a Tughra on a blade is? Is it simply a style of design or would it imply something?

rand

eftihis 3rd November 2007 09:25 AM

Hallo Rand, regarding the last yataghan on the previous thread, the tugra reads: "Mohamed Ali" which was the ruler of Egypt during the time of Greek revolution (1821-30). He sent his army in Greece to help the Sultan against the revolution. The yataghan was found in Greece, so obviously belonged to an officer of his army.

Zifir 6th November 2007 12:51 AM

Just a quick thought on inscription. What does "falae" mean? I looked through dictionaries and could not find it. Could that be "kalfa" meaning "assistant master in a workshop."

rand 6th November 2007 01:46 AM

Inscription
 
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Originally Posted by Zifir
Just a quick thought on inscription. What does "falae" mean? I looked through dictionaries and could not find it. Could that be "kalfa" meaning "assistant master in a workshop."

Hello Zefir,

Manouchehr who did the translation reads Farsi, it could well be as you suggest. Do you have an opinion about when this style of tugra is on a sword? I rather like you translation..... Another piece of the puzzle.

Would you please look at the inscription on the Early Islamic Sword thread, its on a very early Mamluk/Ottoman sword with two inscriptions.

Thank you Zefir,

rand

Zifir 6th November 2007 06:36 PM

Surely, my expertise only cover the paleography part. Beyond that I think there are many good experts in the forum who have more knowledge than I have. I tried to read the words inside the seal of Suleiman but without success. My only contribution would be guessing that these are words with esoteric meanings (ebced) and believed to protect the owner.

rand 6th November 2007 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir
Surely, my expertise only cover the paleography part. Beyond that I think there are many good experts in the forum who have more knowledge than I have. I tried to read the words inside the seal of Suleiman but without success. My only contribution would be guessing that these are words with esoteric meanings (ebced) and believed to protect the owner.


Hello Zifir,

The inscription inside the bordered star pattern may be the names thought to be those of the seven sleepers.

Did you look at the other thread titled "Early Islamic Signature"?

Thanks,

rand


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