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Tim Simmons 5th November 2006 05:24 PM

Sudan, stiletto, T section
 
Visiting a friend today we made a few swaps. Blade 28cm total 42cm, no sign that there was ever a scabbard on the skin around the guard. I am quite pleased with it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../Soudan002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../Soudan001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../Soudan010.jpg

katana 5th November 2006 06:34 PM

Very nice Tim....looks like a European Dirk.....could it be 19c or earlier....later to be 'Africanised' and acid etched with the script?
Wondering whether this could be from the Mahdist era? Or is my imagination running away with me ....again ;)

HUSAR 5th November 2006 07:29 PM

hello
I`m not an expert in this area at all :) but maybe it is a combination from european bayonet? I have one indo-persian spear made in this way.
Best
Husar

Tim Simmons 5th November 2006 08:04 PM

Yes it is made from a socket type of bayonet. In real life it is quite easy to see the soceket part of the bayonet protruding from the skin at the end of the handle.

HUSAR 5th November 2006 08:23 PM

NICE dagger :)

katana 5th November 2006 08:28 PM

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Hi Tim, the socket must have been 'straightened out' to be 'inline' with the blade....or cut and re-attached....Here is a picture of a British Martini Enfield pattern 1876/95 Egyptian bayonet. The Martini was the usual issue in Sudan at the time of Gordon. Seems likely to be the donor for your dagger.

Tim Simmons 5th November 2006 08:55 PM

This dagger has been made from the top section of the type of bayonet that you post. There is a metal tube that makes the basis for the grip. I can not tell if that is also part of the original bayonet. The tube is filled with a hard black substance formed to a dome at the end of the handle. It appears that some kind of tang has been peened over on top of the dome. I will investigate further tomorrow.

katana 6th November 2006 12:15 AM

It makes sense that the tube was cut off. If the 'socket' (of the bayonet)was to be bent down ....(so as to be straight to the blade)....it would need high localised heat which would affect the temper of the blade....almost certainly to its detriment.


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