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mariusgmioc 13th December 2019 10:02 PM
Ottoman bicaq for translation
 
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Can somebody please translate he koftgari on my Ottoman bichaq?! :shrug:

kwiatek 15th December 2019 09:32 AM
The main inscription is, including the spelling mistakes that are typical on pieces of this type

لا فتا الا علي لا سيف الا ذا الفقار ما شاء الله

"There is no hero but 'Ali, no sword but Dhu'l-Fiqar. What God wills"

The date at the end is ambiguous, but my suggestion would be (سنة ٢٨٠(١ .

"Year (1)280 (1863-4)"

The Ottomans often omitted the initial one for a thousand, which I think is the case here. There is what could be a one beneath the main inscription, but I've never seen it placed there in that way.

mariusgmioc 15th December 2019 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwiatek
The main inscription is, including the spelling mistakes that are typical on pieces of this type

لا فتا الا علي لا سيف الا ذا الفقار ما شاء الله

"There is no hero but 'Ali, no sword but Dhu'l-Fiqar. What God wills"

The date at the end is ambiguous, but my suggestion would be (سنة ٢٨٠(١ .

"Year (1)280 (1864-59)"

The Ottomans often omitted the initial one for a thousand, which I think is the case here. There is what could be a one beneath the main inscription, but I've never seen it placed there in that way.

Thank you very much!

You made my day! :)

kwiatek 15th December 2019 10:18 AM
Welcome! Thank you for posting. I made a typo in the date, which I've corrected now

Kubur 15th December 2019 01:08 PM
I hope you noticed that Marius blade is hightly polished.
He is our Polish specialist
:)

mariusgmioc 15th December 2019 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kubur
I hope you noticed that Marius blade is hightly polished.
He is our Polish specialist
:)
Specialist?! Absolutely! ;)

Polish specialist... not so much...

Yet, I polished the blade but then I etched it so the wootz pattern is very visible. ;)

The photos are not accurate as they were modified so that the koftgari is more visible, then they were compressed & reduced in size.

Helleri 23rd December 2019 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwiatek
The main inscription is, including the spelling mistakes that are typical on pieces of this type

لا فتا الا علي لا سيف الا ذا الفقار ما شاء الله

"There is no hero but 'Ali, no sword but Dhu'l-Fiqar. What God wills"

The date at the end is ambiguous, but my suggestion would be (سنة ٢٨٠(١ .

"Year (1)280 (1863-4)"

The Ottomans often omitted the initial one for a thousand, which I think is the case here. There is what could be a one beneath the main inscription, but I've never seen it placed there in that way.
So is that a shorthand then? Kind of like if I were to write 19' instead of 2019?


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