Ethnographic Arms & Armour

Ethnographic Arms & Armour (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/index.php)
-   Keris Warung Kopi (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=11)
-   -   Minangkabau/Gayo Keris Naga (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23571)

alexish 15th January 2018 07:14 AM
Minangkabau/Gayo Keris Naga
 
3 Attachment(s)
I hereby enclose pictures of a Minangkabau/Gayo Keris Naga. Can someone attach pictures of other Minangkabau keris with Naga motif for comparison?

alexish 15th January 2018 07:32 AM
1 Attachment(s)
One more picture

Jean 15th January 2018 08:16 AM
1 Attachment(s)
Hello Alexish,
This is mine (from the ex-Martin Kerner collection), best regards.

alexish 15th January 2018 09:23 AM
Dear Jean,

Can you enclose a blow-up image of the Naga Motif.

Paul de Souza 15th January 2018 10:46 AM
1 Attachment(s)
Here is mine. But never saw it as Gayo. I was told it was a newish production.

Jean 15th January 2018 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul de Souza
Here is mine. But never saw it as Gayo. I was told it was a newish production.
Yes Paul, mine is Minang also and from 20th century.
Regards :)

alexish 15th January 2018 01:29 PM
1 Attachment(s)
Another Example

Jean 15th January 2018 01:43 PM
1 Attachment(s)
Hello Alexish,
This style of naga seems to be peculiar to the Minangkabau region. I attach an enlarged pic of the sorsoran.
Regards

Jean 15th January 2018 06:48 PM
Hello Alexish,
Makmur Arts is an antique shop in Bukittinggi which I visited more than 20 years ago, if you are connected to them in any way please be advised that this is against the rules of this Forum.
Regards

David 15th January 2018 09:26 PM
Alexish, do you currently own the keris that you started this thread with or are these photos from an auction site?

alexish 15th January 2018 11:12 PM
Dear David,

these photos are from commercial sites, but these items have been confirmed to be sold several years ago. I understand that this would be in compliance with the forum rules.

Rick 15th January 2018 11:43 PM
In the future please try to remove site names from your images.
Thanks

alexish 16th January 2018 01:03 AM
Apologies. Noted.

alexish 16th January 2018 01:11 AM
Comparison of Naga Motif between different Keris cultures
 
4 Attachment(s)
I hereby attach images to compare the Minangkabau Keirs Naga motif with the naga motifs of different keris cultures.

I have one question about the last image with the 4 Naga Javanese Keris. Is this a traditional Pakem or a new Kamardikan design?

Jean 16th January 2018 09:06 AM
Hello Alexish,
Your naga motif 2 (the 2 pics on the left, old blades) is commonly called "primitif" style in the collectors circles.
Regards

alexish 16th January 2018 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
Hello Alexish,
Your naga motif 2 (the 2 pics on the left, old blades) is commonly called "primitif" style in the collectors circles.
Regards
Are these "primitive" style Malay or Javanese?

Jean 16th January 2018 08:05 PM
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexish
Are these "primitive" style Malay or Javanese?
Hello Alexish,
I am not sure but this specific style with a hole under the naga head seems to be Malay/ Sumatrese, see pic. Primitive naga blades are also found in Java with a different style but some of them may not be original (naga head carved later).
Regards

alexish 17th January 2018 02:28 AM
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
Hello Alexish,
I am not sure but this specific style with a hole under the naga head seems to be Malay/ Sumatrese, see pic. Primitive naga blades are also found in Java with a different style but some of them may not be original (naga head carved later).
Regards
Dear Jean,

Please see attached image. There seems to be Banjar, Javanese and Pattani versions of this hole motif.

alexish 18th January 2018 12:13 AM
Malay Nagas
 
3 Attachment(s)
Here are some more images of Naga motifs on known Malay blades:

alexish 1st February 2018 06:08 AM
Bugis Keris Naga
 
3 Attachment(s)
Dear fellow collectors,

For your reference, some more pictures of a Bugis Keris Naga.

alexish 19th February 2018 02:56 AM
2 Attachment(s)
A more crisp example of Minangkabau keris naga. I hereby attach some pictures.

Jean 19th February 2018 08:58 AM
Finely carved specimen, thanks! :)

alexish 19th February 2018 12:33 PM
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
Finely carved specimen, thanks! :)
Dear Jean,

Take a look at its unusual length.

David 19th February 2018 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexish
Dear Jean,

Take a look at its unusual length.
What is the actual measured length Alexish?

Sajen 19th February 2018 05:42 PM
I am speechless :eek: ! Very nice blades Alexis!


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:00 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.