A French saber for id
 

A French saber for comment

O.L. 91 cm ; blade L. 76 cm; blade width at hilt 3.5 cm
Any information on it would be welcome.
Best
Cerjak

Surely 18th century, third quarter to 1790s, and French attribution seems likely, the thumb ring interesting recalling German cavalry sabres of earlier periods.
The blade and general appearance of the sword resemble French and American horsemans sabres as seen in Neumann ("Swords and Blades of the American Revolution").
I would suggest at this point, the sunbursts on the faces of the bilobate guard may have Masonic connotation.

Absolutely beautiful sword! Could the markings on the bilobed guard be in reverence to the Sun King?

Engraving - Gardes du corps
 

The engraving on the guard indicates a saber of the Gardes du Corps ( France ). Probably a privately procured weapon. Type: Wallonne, about 1680 - 1700.

Mark, I missed that! and excellent suggestion. French tradition alluding to King Louis XIV and his influences certainly prevailed after his death in 1718, though Canos placement as within that period seems quite correct. While I was thinking of these type swords in use in the American Revolution (Neumann) many much earlier European swords did indeed find use that much later.
Canos, again, thank you for your input here.

I do not know what kind of sabre this is, but what I know is that this is not a French piece.
I have checked all volumes of Christian Aries "Armes Blanches Militaires Francaises" and all other French reference books concerning French swords and I am absolutely sure that this is no French sabre. This kind of hilt is totally unknown with French sabres of any age.
corrado26

dear Jim ,Mr eley ,Canos
The two expert opinions I had received on this saber who confirm that is it a 17 th century saber but both can’t confirm that it is for sure French but for sure north European . It could equally be German or Dutch.
Also the late 17 th century would match with Louis XIV who ruled as King of France from 1643 until his death in 1715.Also the King's own emblem, the sun could make us think that this saber by the markings on the guard could be a reverence to the Sun King .

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CERJAK

Well, I think we are getting somewhere with all of the input from everyone! The flat pommel does indeed resemble those early hangers from the 1680-1700 period. The double guards reminds me of the Walloon pattern, so... :shrug:

Corrado, I envy your having access to Aries!!! These volumes are not only hard to find, but horribly expensive.
Actually I think the suggestion of private acquisition though may put this example outside the scope of most of these references which attend to mostly regulation patterns.
I think the geopolitical possibility which transcends such borders but held loyalties or support of the French King might account for such motif and the anomalous styling. Personally I feel inclined toward the French potential,
but agree that as with Walloons, it could be Flemish or border regions of Germany.

* The axiom I was long ago told, 'weapons do not recognize geographic borders.

What means that you are looking for the Aries volumes? As I am living very near to the French border and have lots of collector friends there it should be not too hard to find these volumes at a resonable price!
Let me know your intentions.
corrado26