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castellum aquilonis 3rd September 2013 11:42 PM

Help for Translation of Inscription Georgian Khevsur
 
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Help for Translation of Inscription Georgian Khevsur Sword:
Would be great, if someone could help to translate this.

ariel 4th September 2013 03:17 AM

Local rules stipulate that a request like that should be accompanied by detailed pics of the entire weapon:-)
Please?

ariel 4th September 2013 09:31 AM

I have a translation ready.
Pictures, please?

castellum aquilonis 4th September 2013 11:04 AM

;-)
 
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;-)

Battara 5th September 2013 12:19 AM

Nice and interesting hilt. Is it silver?

ariel 5th September 2013 01:30 AM

Thanks!

Line 1;
Blessed be the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost
Line 2:
O Lord, take pity on me, the sinful one, and forgive me.

Also, the opinion on the Russian Forum ( where the translation is from) was that it might be a recent production.

Jim McDougall 7th September 2013 10:43 PM

Glad to see this posted. It is clearly the Khevsur straight bladed pranguli of the form often used by Khevsurs in thier staged duels (Halliburton) into the 1930s +. While this does appear modernly refurbished it does seem to have earlier components, i.e. the shamshir type crossguard and of course the blade itself.
The silver(as it appears) hilt follows again, traditional form, as does the scabbard.
Extremely esoteric form, and of a fascinating people.

Thanks 'Castellum'. Sorry to not be of help with the translation, which is all I realize you were seeking. Just wanted to add notes on the sword itself for readers. That is why we always ask for full picture of weapon, to provide context.

Kiziria 9th September 2013 04:22 AM

Hi,Jim!
I agree it seems like only cross guard is authentic, though I would say it was taken from a Kahetian saber , not from a shamshir sword type. But again it is hard to say for sure, you might be right.
The blade however is not very good imitation, probably early replica attempt.
Best,
VK

castellum aquilonis 9th September 2013 08:54 PM

KS
 
I always find it very interesting how a few people make good things "bad".

Jim McDougall 10th September 2013 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by castellum aquilonis
I always find it very interesting how a few people make good things "bad".

Perhaps you might elaborate on that comment. I thought we had come up with a translation and though the sword is probably more recently refurbished but with some older components...noted that it is an extremely nice example of quite esoteric form. These swords are not exactly easy to come by as far as I have known, and as I indicated, traditionally they are still used ceremonially.


PS Vaho, good to hear from you!!!! :)

castellum aquilonis 10th September 2013 03:59 PM

KS
 
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Pictures are a bit color modified... Grip is Silver.

Kiziria 10th September 2013 04:03 PM

Thank you Jim!
Dear C.A. !
I did not mean to say its 'bad'. I just assumed that you as most of us are interested to know either piece you are interested in is authentic or not. Don't you care to know what it is exectely in your possession ?
And I want to stress that I myself keep a few very good replicas in my collection simply because master that made them followed precisely to the characteristics of blade shape and its mounting. In this case blade is not correctly shaped.
However the authentic cross guard, georgian inscription and nicely made khevsurian sheath do make this item interesting.
If you are set to build a small "khevsurian" section in your collection, I do not see why not to start with replica as this one.

Jim McDougall 10th September 2013 05:33 PM

Extremely well said Vaho, and while on the subject of authenticity, perhaps we will learn more on the texture of this query by C.A. I think your views on establishing this rather esoteric field in a collection are well placed, and your suggestions indeed a viable course to take.
Again, it truly is good to hear from you!


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