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CharlesS 8th April 2013 06:28 PM

Help Translating a Persian Shamshir Hilt Strap
 
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I am hoping one of our forumites can translate this hilt strap(top and bottom) that is gold koftgari over steel. I am assuming since it is on a Persian shamshir that it is Farsi in Arabic script.

Thanks for any help!!!

Robert 8th April 2013 06:50 PM

Hello Charles,
I cannot be of any help on this other than to say that it is a standing policy to show a photo of the entire weapon in question to receive help on translations. Looking forward to seeing the photo and to hearing the translation.

Best,
Robert

CharlesS 8th April 2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert
Hello Charles,
I cannot be of any help on this other than to say that it is a standing policy to show a photo of the entire weapon in question to receive help on translations. Looking forward to seeing the photo and to hearing the translation.

Best,
Robert


Apologies Robert. I was unaware of that policy. Here are some basic pics of the entire piece.

Gavin Nugent 8th April 2013 08:33 PM

I too am unaware of this "policy" :shrug: but I am sure glad you posted the extra images.

The blade and fittings are in an exceptional state of preservation.

Is the leather work a new restoration or old but in an exceptional state of preservation....enough of my questions, back to yours!!!

Gavin

Iain 8th April 2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter
I too am unaware of this "policy" :shrug: but I am sure glad you posted the extra images.

I thought it used to be in a sticky thread at the top of the forum. But I don't see it now. :)

Lovely sword! Will be interesting to learn what it says.

CharlesS 8th April 2013 09:22 PM

Thanks guys. The leather has, indeed, been restored. All else is original to the sword.

Robert 8th April 2013 09:56 PM

Hello Charles, and thank you for the photos of your beautiful sword. I'm sure that someone will be by (hopefully shortly) to help with the translation.


Best,
Robert

Battara 9th April 2013 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS
Apologies Robert. I was unaware of that policy. Here are some basic pics of the entire piece.

Yeah, it is. But it serves us all to see the context of the piece when needing translations.

If this is the one I'm thinking of, the blade is more beautiful in person: the wootz really pops out more than the picture shows. :)

AJ1356 10th April 2013 06:31 AM

That is a beautiful shamshir, the test on the hilt is Arabic, and worn off making it harder to read. Maybe DOM can do his magic.

A.alnakkas 10th April 2013 03:38 PM

Amazing :-)) congratulations Charles!

I cannot read it, sorry.. Did manage to make sense of some words but its very fragmented and I cannot be sure that what I read is correct.

Is the blade Kirk nurduban?? how long is the blade alone?

CharlesS 13th April 2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas
Amazing :-)) congratulations Charles!

I cannot read it, sorry.. Did manage to make sense of some words but its very fragmented and I cannot be sure that what I read is correct.

Is the blade Kirk nurduban?? how long is the blade alone?


Many thanks for your kind comments, though I never intended to post pics of the entire sword.

The wootz blade is, indeed, the ladder pattern, kirk nurduban, and the pattern is very clear on both sides.

The blade is rather large at 35 inches across the curvature.

I am still hoping for some input on the hilt strap.

CharlesS 23rd April 2013 05:39 PM

Where is Dom!!?? :(

A.alnakkas 6th July 2015 01:22 AM

tried having a 2nd go on this. Charles, Can you email for me bigger, better photos?

AJ1356 6th July 2015 04:23 AM

If you are ever in Nashville and want to bring this over, I can look at it closely and maybe firgure something out.

CharlesS 7th July 2015 01:20 AM

Thanks guys! I will try to have better close-ups for you in a few days.

CharlesS 19th July 2015 04:08 PM

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Hopefully these will be better pics that can help with translation.

Thanks in advance!

sirupate 19th July 2015 04:54 PM

Tis a beauty


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