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kulbuntet 2nd June 2010 08:02 PM

Question for info
 
Hallo all,

I was wondering if there is a image of the keris of Pangeran Diponegoro. And does anny one know were the keris is? I was confiscated by the Dutch when he surrenderd. But i have no clue where it is now. Did the Dutch return it to Indonesia, or is it somewere in a Dutch museum or private collection? I have asked some people, but they dont know. Does anny body here have info about it. Or maybe a photo or good drawing of it?

Thank you in advance for information posted.

Regards Abdulrahman

ganjawulung 2nd June 2010 09:37 PM

OO Landesmuseum
 
Dear Michel AbdulRahman,

I have in my hand, a copy of museum catalogue which published some images of Pangeran Diponegoro's keris. (The copy of the catalogue was given by Dietrich Drescher or Ki Jayamalelo two weeks ago). According to the text in the catalogue, the keris is in a museum in Germany. This is the address, according to the text in catalogue:

OO. Landesmuseum
Gunter Dimt
Museumstrasse 14
4010 Linz

The Diponegoro's kris (straight keris, dapur of "jalak sangu tumpeng" -- with two sogokan, and tingil, and ornamented with gold 'kinatah' type of 'panjiwilis' depicting "kala makara"... beside is the image of Jogja warangka, type of Amangkurat with silver pendhok bunton)

I hope, it would help

GANJAWULUNG

Gustav 2nd June 2010 09:43 PM

Linz is situated in Austria.

ganjawulung 2nd June 2010 09:46 PM

Thanks Gustav,

Yes, it was a stupid mistake.....

GANJAWULUNG

Gustav 2nd June 2010 10:59 PM

Actually this keris, which possibly belonged to Diponegoro, is to be found in the Museum für Völkerkunde Wien.

It's pendhok bunton is made of gold or at least gold plated.

PenangsangII 29th December 2011 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Dear Michel AbdulRahman,

I have in my hand, a copy of museum catalogue which published some images of Pangeran Diponegoro's keris. (The copy of the catalogue was given by Dietrich Drescher or Ki Jayamalelo two weeks ago). According to the text in the catalogue, the keris is in a museum in Germany. This is the address, according to the text in catalogue:

OO. Landesmuseum
Gunter Dimt
Museumstrasse 14
4010 Linz

The Diponegoro's kris (straight keris, dapur of "jalak sangu tumpeng" -- with two sogokan, and tingil, and ornamented with gold 'kinatah' type of 'panjiwilis' depicting "kala makara"... beside is the image of Jogja warangka, type of Amangkurat with silver pendhok bunton)

I hope, it would help

GANJAWULUNG

I am sorry to raise this old thread again..... But I cant help it.

Could anybody provide photographs of the Pangeran Diponegoro's keris from the museum? Thks.

David 29th December 2011 06:07 AM

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Well, this isn't exactly what you want, but perhaps it will still add to the discussion. :)

PenangsangII 30th December 2011 05:38 AM

Thanks David. This portrait might be an artist impression of what Pangeran Diponegoro looked like, or dressed like.

Any photo from the museum of the said Jalak Sangu Tumpeng?

drdavid 30th December 2011 11:13 AM

There does not seem to be an image of this particular item on their website although there is this
Museum of Ethnology Vienna and a curator to contact.
drd

David 30th December 2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drdavid
There does not seem to be an image of this particular item on their website although there is this
Museum of Ethnology Vienna and a curator to contact.
drd

I saw this David and made a copy to my desktop, but where does it identify this keris as the keris in question? :shrug:

drdavid 30th December 2011 09:42 PM

Hi David
it does not identify the keris on their web page at all, I was just throwing it up as a nice image and highlighting the fact that they did have a curator specifically for Insular SE Asia who may be able to assist anyone who wanted to take this further
cheers
drdavid

Gustav 28th February 2012 01:24 PM

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Dear All,

here are the pictures of Keris, which belonged to Diponegoro, according to notices of George Lodewijk Weijnschenk. He acquired this Keris in Yogyakarta, 1886 he's collection came to MVK Wien.

Total length 48,7 cm, blade length 40,5, which is very big for a Yogya kris. Also atasan is very substantial.


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