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Marcokeris 8th October 2012 01:15 PM

Balinese hilt
 
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Delem, one of the four Panakawan of the Balinese Wayang Parwa

David 8th October 2012 04:00 PM

Nice hilt....so is Delem a variation of the name Twalen? :shrug:

A. G. Maisey 8th October 2012 11:10 PM

David, in Bali wayang Twalen equates to Semar in Javanese wayang. Twalen and Merdah were the punakawan of the Pandawas, and Delem and Sangut were the punakawans of the Kurawas. I think Delem is probably Bagong, but I don't really know, because I really know very little about the intricacies of wayang, especially Balinese wayang.

David 9th October 2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
David, in Bali wayang Twalen equates to Semar in Javanese wayang. Twalen and Merdah were the punakawan of the Pandawas, and Delem and Sangut were the punakawans of the Kurawas. I think Delem is probably Bagong, but I don't really know, because I really know very little about the intricacies of wayang, especially Balinese wayang.

Thanks Alan. The reason i asked this is because this hilt has features, like the wide spaces two teeth, that i would normal associate with Twalen. :shrug:

A. G. Maisey 9th October 2012 02:53 AM

Bagong is Semar's son, so I guess Delem is Twalen's son. Family resemblance?

David 9th October 2012 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
Bagong is Semar's son, so I guess Delem is Twalen's son. Family resemblance?

Then you would agree that this is a depiction of Delem...i know sometimes you are hesitant to pin names on these Balinese figural hilts...

A. G. Maisey 9th October 2012 04:56 AM

I guess it could be, to me father and son look alike. Undoubtedly there is iconography attached to both that permits distinction to be made, but I'm no wayang expert. If Marco reckons its Delem, he was probably told that by the seller, and the seller if he was in Bali, undoubtedly knows more than all of us put together.

David 9th October 2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
I guess it could be, to me father and son look alike. Undoubtedly there is iconography attached to both that permits distinction to be made, but I'm no wayang expert. If Marco reckons its Delem, he was probably told that by the seller, and the seller if he was in Bali, undoubtedly knows more than all of us put together.

I can go with that... :)

Rick 9th October 2012 04:21 PM

So, does anyone think this hilt might have been painted once ?

Sajen 9th October 2012 05:33 PM

Look like it have had once gold paint on. :shrug: Marco will be able to tell us more.

BTW, nice hilt Marco! :)

Marcokeris 9th October 2012 06:34 PM

Mr. Stanley Hendrawidjaja told me that this penakawan is Delem. I have only understand that he was a Penakawan ( for the hair) :)

Marcokeris 9th October 2012 06:36 PM

Sorry... No paint before... Is the pattern of the wood

GIO 10th October 2012 04:16 PM

Good find, Marco.
A nice addition to your collection


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