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francantolin 29th November 2023 08:39 PM

Beibut kindjal with early european blade ? Origin ?
 
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Hello dear members,
It was a long time I didn't post anything.
Here is an interesting long beibut dagger I found that I would like to show you:
large military type model but with horn handle and a ''15'' written on it.
A mix between europeans and east european-asian influences
Under the scabbard, an interesting blade, I hadn't seen it before I got it, a nice surprise !
It is very rusty but with an unusual very large yelman and a Passau wolf and the initials H and M and small crosses on both sides.
a very old blade ?
the tip- bouterolle also with the leather that goes over the leather sheath seems to me unusual with ''classics'' kindjal and reminds me 18th-19rh Prussian-Austrian short swords models.
Here some pictures

francantolin 29th November 2023 08:43 PM

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I forgot the size: 65cm long 70 with scabbard

TVV 30th November 2023 12:41 AM

Most likely explanation would be a cut down shashka blade. European markings, including the running wolf were widely copied in the Caucasus.

francantolin 30th November 2023 10:24 AM

Thank youbfor your message TVV,

yes it can be a shortened shashka blade,
I rarely seen shashka blade with such Ã* large yelman

If it's the case, the black-smith has reshaped all metal hilt part fo perfectlyr suit the grip shape,
I'll post some pictures

Kind regards

Interested Party 30th November 2023 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by francantolin (Post 286453)
Thank youbfor your message TVV,

yes it can be a shortened shashka blade,
I rarely seen shashka blade with such Ã* large yelman

How about a broken blade not a cut down one? Is there evidence of a scarf weld where the blade joins the hilt? I have read that some Caucasian cultures carried a second shorter blade as a backup often repurposed from a broken blade.

francantolin 30th November 2023 05:31 PM

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Hello

It seems to be the ''regular'' tip of the blade/shortened sword with the large yelman but it wasn't welded to a separate metal hilt.

A single piece of metal

francantolin 30th November 2023 06:00 PM

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Perhaps these two pictures are better...

francantolin 1st December 2023 12:40 PM

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Perhaps is it better to place it the european weapons forum ?

I don't say it's one of these but the blade looks like storta's short sword models

Interested Party 1st December 2023 03:15 PM

Have you searched the terms dashna and Sabarkali ?

francantolin 2nd December 2023 11:42 AM

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Hello,
I have found your post of 2021 about dashna daggers,
I didn't know the name , thank you !
Indeed scabbard really looks like 👍 I think we found the place where it was asssembled.

For me , with the large yelman , the blade comes from an old indo persian sword ( I've got a thega like that !! ) or an european model, with or without original Passauer wolf

francantolin 3rd December 2023 05:15 PM

Tour ça pour ça comme on dit !
À traduire qui veut

serdar 20th January 2024 05:02 AM

I would say it is not original pasau wolf, from time, wolf would be in 180• turn to the text, probably later. Or some other country made and marked with famozs mark.


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