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Alexander 9th January 2011 09:57 PM

Naval sword R. N. R.
 
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Dear friends. The naval sword R. N. R. with an inscription of the owner has got to me. But I can't understand an emblem. Whether this emblem can be the ship name? Respect, Alexander.

Alexander 13th January 2011 10:53 PM

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On a hilt there is brand WH and S. Somebody knows the manufacturer?

fernando 14th January 2011 07:36 PM

Hi Alexander.
This P.M. Cunningham, a lieutenant of the Royal Navy Reserve, might have been a doctor with a determined speciality.
The symbol on the left of the emblem is no doubt that one of medicine.
The other two symbols could be relative to things like the said speciality, the place he was praticing or the college where he made his degree; not to the ship's name. After all, he was in the reserve.

Robert 20th January 2011 08:17 AM

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A very nice looking sword. The emblem on the left is a caduceus and the one on the right I believe is a stethoscope. The bird with the olive branch I don't recognize.:confused:

Robert

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I did find one reference to the bird with an olive branch in its beak emblem meaning that doctors should be as free as birds to cross borders and of coarse the olive branch means peace.

Jim McDougall 20th January 2011 06:16 PM

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From what I can find, the markings stamped in the hilt indicate Sheffield silverwork firm William Hutton & Sons. Their stamp indicates the ampersand is in a shield formed cartouche. It would seem the firm handled considerable material for army and navy outfitting which must have included these swords, which they probably etched as well.

fernando 20th January 2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman
A very nice looking sword. The emblem on the left is a caduceus and the one on the right I believe is a stethoscope. The bird with the olive branch I don't recognize.:confused:

Robert

P.S.
I did find one reference to the bird with an olive branch in its beak emblem meaning that doctors should be as free as birds to cross borders and of coarse the olive branch means peace.

Of course ... a stethoscope :shrug:
Brilliant ... and effective, Robert ! No doubts left on your interpretation !
The bird with an olive branch would be a pidgeon ... according to Noah ;)

fernando 20th January 2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall
From what I can find, the markings stamped in the hilt indicate Sheffield silverwork firm William Hutton & Sons. Their stamp indicates the ampersand is in a shield formed cartouche. It would seem the firm handled considerable material for army and navy outfitting which must have included these swords, which they probably etched as well.

... Meaning this is a silver hilt Jimmy, my man ?

Jim McDougall 21st January 2011 01:07 AM

These firms were purveyors of 'fancy stuff'. The markings I located were on a 'canteen', set of silverware made for a military mess. They apparantly handled electroplating and other associated processes in custom work.
Possibly gilt brass might have been handled as well ?

Jim McDougall 22nd January 2011 11:47 PM

Alexander, if you're still there you might drop a note to let us know if this information was of any use to you. It doesnt take many words to say.

Alexander 30th January 2011 07:45 PM

Many thanks for the information. It very much was useful to me! Respect, Alexander.

katana 31st January 2011 11:39 PM

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As soon as I saw the bird design, I recognised it as a 'Liver' bird .....symbol of the city of Liverpool. A famous and historic English port. Pictured below is one of the two Liver birds, 18 foot heigh 'perched on the Liver building ...a famous landmark of the area.

Regards David

PS Link between Liverpool and RNR seems confirmed....http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operatio...glet/index.htm

Alexander 3rd February 2011 01:47 PM

Thanks. For the information. It has very much helped me! Respect, Alexander.


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