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ggoudie 5th January 2006 02:13 PM

African axe
 
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Can anyone help me with this axe? It is a two-handed monster which is 43 inches long, with a 12 inch blade and stamped on the tang with the number 23. Does anyone know anything about axes like this - origin, history etc? I would be grateful for any info.
Please see attached photo.
Cheers
Graeme

Lew 5th January 2006 05:28 PM

Hi ggoudie

Your axe looks to be Shona to me and it's a nice old example.


Lew

Oriental-Arms 5th January 2006 07:56 PM

Shona Axe
 
Shona it is. Nice example, probably early 20 C. Not a very efficient weapon and mostly used as a simbol of status.
The Shona is the largest ethnic group in Zimbabwe, more than 70% of the population. They are known for their artisitic skills in pottery, copper, brass and iron crafts.

Tim Simmons 5th January 2006 08:23 PM

I beg to differ as to whether this is an effective weapon or not. Compered to cultures rich in technology and iron and steel it does look a little flimsy. If you imagine your traditional enemies have the same standard of weapons then effective, is relative. If you are fighting just short of naked, a blow from an axe like this would be unpleasant. It may appear lightweight but the warrior might have to run to battle and then fight for a hour or so, you try that with a wood chopping axe. As I have said before a swing at your head could take half your face off easily. Tim. PS, all you wood cutters out there might think you are hard, you do not have to move when chopping logs because they do not fight back!!!!

Oriental-Arms 5th January 2006 09:18 PM

African axes
 
If you compare it to a good Songye axe (which I personally consider as masterpieces of African axes):

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...01779/ph-0.jpg

Or to a good Chokwe axe

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...00359/ph-0.jpg

you can easily see what I mean by not very efficient. No offense to the Shona axes I hope. I liked them a lot

Tim Simmons 6th January 2006 11:45 AM

I like Congo axes very much, I have still to get one. I agree that many axes from southern Africa are made from small and often quite lightweight pieces of metal which I think makes them all the more thought out and economically effective weapons. Is that Chokwe axe a large weapon or a small dance axe? I have seen some very heavy ones, well over my budget :( . Tim

Oriental-Arms 6th January 2006 03:17 PM

Chokwe Axe
 
The blade is 2 X 4 inches and the haft is 14 inches. Rather short but with a heavy blade. The effective blade and simple decoration suggests a real fighting weapon. For more details on this axe see Fighting Axe of the Chokwe

Tim Simmons 6th January 2006 05:07 PM

Just cannot stop
 
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Lightweight but all that is needed, I have shown this before but who cares. The haft is only 49cm long so it would be used at close range. The blade is 19cm long in total, the edge is 13cm across and could deliver quite a slash as well as chopping. The blade is quite heavy for its size with a sort of midrib. A light one handed weapon. I just like talking African axes :) . Tim

Freddy 6th January 2006 05:54 PM

Let's join !
 
You could both be right.
A light axe can also do a lot of damage. I don't think that medieval European battle axes were that heavy when used on foot.

And a ceremonial axe, can be quite heavy, too. Look at this Songye axe. It weighs about 2 kgs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...eelding421.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1807.jpg

I also want to show a small battle axe. I think it's from South Africa, but I'm not sure which tribe it comes from. It has a very slender shaft and a small axe blade which is pretty sharp. The shape of the shaft make it ideal for hacking.
The other weapon is sort of a pick axe. It originates from Western Africa, that's all I know.

Lenght of small axe : 46,5 cm, axe blade : 7,5 cm, cutting edge : 4,7 cm.

Length of pick axe : 48 cm, axe blade : 25,5 cm (with serrated edge near the point).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1781.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1782.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1783.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1784.jpg

Andrew 6th January 2006 07:27 PM

Freddy, your axe looks very much like the Chokwe example shown by Artzi.

That pick is fearsome-looking! :eek:

Tim Simmons 6th January 2006 08:35 PM

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That pick axe is great! I have shown this before also. Another example of how a small expensive piece of metal is turned into a deadly weapon. The blade is quite light compered to the other axe I post on this thread, a good deal thinner. 10.5 cm across the edge and protruding 13.5cm but with a long reach, with a haft 84cm long, so this weapon could be used with one or both hands at arms length or at close quarters held in the middle using both ends to strike with. Thats what you call effective for a very small piece of metal. Tim.

Freddy 7th January 2006 05:27 PM

Here's another one with a peculiar blade. It comes from the Dogon tribe in Mali. The cutting edge is at the upper side of the blade.

Total length : 63,5 cm. Length of blade : 22 cm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1785.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...elding1786.jpg

Tim Simmons 7th January 2006 07:45 PM

Fantastic! really scary close contact weapon made again from a small piece of metal. With this you have a combination of club, stabbing and a slashing ability all you need is the aggressive frenzy :eek: . Tim


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