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archer 4th June 2005 07:18 PM

Hulu origin?
 
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Help needed to identify this hulu's origins. What is the bird depicted? I believe it is bone, maybe a femur. Thank you for your advice.

Freddy 4th June 2005 07:19 PM

I think it's Madurese. Don't know about the bird.

Rick 4th June 2005 07:30 PM

A guess , but I think it's a Cockatoo which seems to be an important symbol in thses areas . Yes it's Madurese but I very much doubt that it is human bone .
This Hulu or Ukiran shows what appears to be a lot of age .
Maybe ivory , or can you see pores in the material ?

ariel 5th June 2005 12:21 AM

I do not think it is a bone, at least not human femur.
The top part of the handle indeed looks "peppered", and with a lot of imagination one could think it is the inner part of the bone. However, in reality, this part is very porous, with honeycomb appearance and very thin and brittle septae. It would not look solid as this one does and would just crumble with age. Second, just before the "turn", human femur has a protuberance, trochanter major, that is also composed of the honeycomb material. It is not there: the entire surface is solid as a cortical bone.
Is it a non-human bone? This is above my pay grade; ask a veterinarian.

archer 5th June 2005 01:36 AM

Hulu origin ?
 
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I wasn't thinking human; but, small animal femur. I think i'm seeing keris from
areas other than Maduran that have similar hulus.

Heres a better shot of the worn area and what appears to be a natural hole.

Ariel, i'll ask a veterinarian, great idea.

nechesh 5th June 2005 03:38 AM

It's definitely Maduran and probably bone. I'm going to make a flying leap ;) , however, and suggest that it might represent a stylized form of the winged horse which is a popular icon on maduran ukirans.

BluErf 5th June 2005 04:37 AM

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Posting a pic for comparison. Sorry, the hilt was dyed and the bird (kakatua? Not really sure.) is kinda dark.

Henk 5th June 2005 08:08 PM

It is 100% a madura ukiran. It looks bone to me either, but I wouldn't be surprised when it is wood. I don't think it is ivory. I've never seen porous ivory.
Maybe a picture of the hole of this ukiran could help to see if it is wood or bone.
Mostly you see the winged horse in the place of this cockatoo. But it is a nicely carved ukiran and so is the one of BluErf.

Henk 6th June 2005 07:32 PM

Gentlemen,

I received today the book by Martin Kerner about ukirans.

There he mentioned the bird on the maduran ukiran. It is not a cockatoo but it represents a Phenix. A bird from the chinese mythology that shows the strong conection between Madura and China

Battara 6th June 2005 09:02 PM

Could it also be linked to an earlier Hindu motif (Hinduism being an early influence in the islands) like Garuda, the vehicle of Visnu?

archer 3rd October 2005 11:39 PM

what is it made from?
 
Sorry, to be getting back so late on this thread. Our Veterinarian, was sure this hulu was made from an antler. Sure enough here is a nicely carved Ebay item with the same porous texture on top. It was stated to be antler. Thank you all for your responses and advice

archer 3rd October 2005 11:42 PM

Oops!
 
Always best to hit upload.


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