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ALEX 7th February 2010 01:55 PM

Ottoman Court Dagger with Strange(?) Blade
 
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This is fairly typical Ottoman dagger with characteristic walrus handle and silver gilt scabbard (the tip bud is missing). The blades on those are often wootz or sham, but this one is quite unusual. It fits the handle at the base, and the slot on it matches the blade width with no gaps, but I doubt it's original blade, based on the pattern (it just does not look Ottoman to me, and inferior to the rest of the dagger), plus it's slightly shorter than the scabbard. Any opinions on origin of the blade and association to related fittings; and can it be considered pattern weld/mechanical pattern? Many thanks.

CharlesS 7th February 2010 02:36 PM

Nice piece Alex! I especially like the way the hilt fits into the scabbard, very unique.

I bet we know someone that could make a lovely monster head for the scabbard tip. ;)

RSWORD 7th February 2010 03:50 PM

The blade exhibits a random, very open pattern that doesn't seem too deliberate. It reminds me of similar patterns sometimes found on Indian and Moro blades. My guess is that it is folded steel, maybe from scrap iron and probably was never intended to be etched. I bet it was originally polished bright. Perhaps made as a gift to some dignitary. Why use up good wootz if you can make the dress real flashy and then utilize some scrap material to forge a blade, polish it up bright(after all European blades are that way) and present it as a gift.

ward 7th February 2010 04:07 PM

It is just a layered up blade that was never meant to be etched.

ALEX 7th February 2010 04:10 PM

Thanks, Charles. The final will eventually come:-)
Very nice suggestion, Rick. As you pointed out, if it was made as European "corporate gift":-) the blade did not have to be wootz as it'd be polished bright, so I 100% agree with you.
The blade came heavily patinated, and was cleaned, polished and etched... the later will need to be reversed I am afraid:-)
Thanks guys!
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... Thanks Ward. I'll repolish the blade, will certainly look better.

eftihis 7th February 2010 04:57 PM

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Hi, i agree with above opinions about the blade, and it doesnt necessary have to be wootz for a dagger to be beautifull.
Regarding the scabbard finial a "dragon head" will not be the best addition. It should better be something similar with the scabbard endings bellow.

ALEX 7th February 2010 05:05 PM

Eftihis, You are right. The "dragon" tip relates more with Greek/Balkan scabbards. The "rose" or "bud" shaped final will be more appropriate on this one. Thanks!
and you're right about wootz, but it would've been nice bonus:-)

ALEX 19th June 2011 08:34 PM

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it's summer time... so the "bud" has bloomed:-)

Battara 19th June 2011 10:48 PM

Nice bud - where did you get it?

ALEX 20th June 2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Nice bud - where did you get it?

It's a new brass-cast, fitted and soldered to the tip, then re-engraved and slightly gold-plated.,

...the second restoration - the same bud but silver-plated finish


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