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ariel 8th September 2006 05:06 PM
Caucasian or Arabian sword?
 
Just ended and I was outbid... Dang!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300023399225

My fantasy was that this sword was not Arabian, as advertised, but Caucasian (Georgian or Daghestani). Reasons: silver handle narrowing towards the pommel, vegetal decorations on the crossguard, some figurative decoration on the tip of the pommel.
The blade is likely European (German? Can't see well) and likely shortened.
So, boys and girls, what do you think? Should I drown my sorrows in a very big bottle of Armenian brandy or rejoyce that I did not waste my money?
Ham, Ward and Rivkin (the Texas boy!) to the rescue!

Valjhun 8th September 2006 07:23 PM
Sharing your sorrow.

I was outbid to.

It seems a nice example fo wich your theory seems plausible, but I should ask if it is not one of thoose persian naval nimchas (Tirri, page 58)

S.Al-Anizi 8th September 2006 07:27 PM
Cant really tell you what it is but it certainly isnt arabian.

Rivkin 8th September 2006 07:45 PM
Well, I am a very narrow specialist, so I see caucasian things everywhere I look :). I would say that the guard has interesting floral motiff, probably persian(?) inspired that was quite popular in Georgia, but I guess can just as well be found in other countries that bourdered Persia (arabia). But I don't know, some gut feeling tells me it is not Arabia, and not Dagestan/Georgia, but something in between, I would strongly suspect may be Azerbaijan or something Ottoman(?).

P.S. Did you try to apply the new "dressed to kill" theory ? I mean, you should not have any problems "to sundry unsolved problems in weapons research" with it.

ariel 8th September 2006 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rivkin
Well, I am a very narrow specialist, so I see caucasian things everywhere I look :). I would say that the guard has interesting floral motiff, probably persian(?) inspired that was quite popular in Georgia, but I guess can just as well be found in other countries that bourdered Persia (arabia). But I don't know, some gut feeling tells me it is not Arabia, and not Dagestan/Georgia, but something in between, I would strongly suspect may be Azerbaijan or something Ottoman(?).

P.S. Did you try to apply the new "dressed to kill" theory ? I mean, you should not have any problems "to sundry unsolved problems in weapons research" with it.
Thanks for some degree of relief!...
As to the new theory....No, I did not, but some of my patients applied it generously and liberally and told me that "Preparation H" was better. :p

Ian 8th September 2006 08:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ariel
No, I did not, but some of my patients applied it generously and liberally and told me that "Preparation H" was better. :p
LOL ... quote of the week to you, Ariel. :D

Ian 8th September 2006 08:51 PM
On a more serious note ...
 
The blade of this sword reminds me a lot of the 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre, or one of its many imitations. The last few inches have obviously been reworked and shortened.

Ian.

Picture of 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre

Also another example of the pattern here: http://www.antiqueswords.com/blcs14.htm


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