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ASPaulding 11th August 2023 05:00 PM

My clipped-tip Luzon Matulis
 
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This is my very plain Luzon Matulis I thought I would share with everybody. Even though it is very plain it is one of my favorite blades I own. The sheath is engraved with what I believe says W.D. Smith V.I. Cav. (Calvery) I'm assuming it was picked up from the Philippine insurgency. I recently was researching this type of blade and found that some of them have a clipped point like my example. The entire time I thought it was just damaged. I do not know the significance of the clipped point but I find it interesting. For whatever reason I just feel this blade has some history. This is why it quickly became one my favorites in my humble collection.

chmorshuutz 11th August 2023 06:19 PM

I'm sorry, but can someone more knowledgeable explain to me what "Luzon matulis" really is?

Based on my fairly limited experience, people in the present-day Tagalog region use a different term for a similar profile, but I never encountered "matulis" used for such even though the word is indeed Tagalog.

Is Luzon matulis an old profile that went extinct, or just an umbrella term?

xasterix 11th August 2023 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ASPaulding (Post 283745)
This is my very plain Luzon Matulis I thought I would share with everybody. Even though it is very plain it is one of my favorite blades I own. The sheath is engraved with what I believe says W.D. Smith V.I. Cav. (Calvery) I'm assuming it was picked up from the Philippine insurgency. I recently was researching this type of blade and found that some of them have a clipped point like my example. The entire time I thought it was just damaged. I do not know the significance of the clipped point but I find it interesting. For whatever reason I just feel this blade has some history. This is why it quickly became one my favorites in my humble collection.

Hello, the correct term for your blade is "dahong bolo." I'm guessing that your blade was made in Tayabas, Quezon. The clipped points were brought about by various Spanish bando (decrees) regulating bladed weapons.

xasterix 11th August 2023 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chmorshuutz (Post 283747)
I'm sorry, but can someone more knowledgeable explain to me what "Luzon matulis" really is?

Based on my fairly limited experience, people in the present-day Tagalog region use a different term for a similar profile, but I never encountered "matulis" used for such even though the word is indeed Tagalog.

Is Luzon matulis an old profile that went extinct, or just an umbrella term?

The true Luzon matulis has some resemblance to dahong bolo. It's just that the belly starts sooner, and the blade narrows down drastically towards the tip; hence that's why it was called "matulis." However, the label was mistakenly attributed to other profiles such as dahong bolo and dahong palay, because some versions of these are also narrowing towards a very sharp tip.

chmorshuutz 11th August 2023 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix (Post 283749)
The true Luzon matulis has some resemblance to dahong bolo. It's just that the belly starts sooner, and the blade narrows down drastically towards the tip; hence that's why it was called "matulis." However, the label was mistakenly attributed to other profiles such as dahong bolo and dahong palay, because some versions of these are also narrowing towards a very sharp tip.

Salamat po sa tugon.

How about those traditional blades I've seen from Rizal province, particularly around Binangonan. They also have a similarly shaped profile, pointed and with wide belly, but is called "sungot hipon" (or interchangeably, ulang) instead. Is it the same profile with a different name, or am I missing some subtle differences?

ASPaulding 11th August 2023 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix (Post 283748)
Hello, the correct term for your blade is "dahong bolo." I'm guessing that your blade was made in Tayabas, Quezon. The clipped points were brought about by various Spanish bando (decrees) regulating bladed weapons.

I indeed have limited knowledge, but I'm learning more everyday. I was told by a friend that has a lot of experience with these blades the name. I was also using this as a reference.

ASPaulding 11th August 2023 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix (Post 283748)
Hello, the correct term for your blade is "dahong bolo." I'm guessing that your blade was made in Tayabas, Quezon. The clipped points were brought about by various Spanish bando (decrees) regulating bladed weapons.

Thank you for the information. If I understand you correctly, the Spanish wanted all the blades clipped? I suppose they thought it would make them less dangerous?

chmorshuutz 11th August 2023 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ASPaulding (Post 283751)
I indeed have limited knowledge, but I'm learning more everyday. I was told by a friend that has a lot of experience with these blades the name. I was also using this as a reference.

This one looks more like a sinampalok from Batangas province. Not sure why is it labelled matulis again.

ASPaulding 11th August 2023 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chmorshuutz (Post 283753)
This one looks more like a sinampalok from Batangas province. Not sure why is it labelled matulis again.

I see the resemblance. Thank you

JeffS 11th August 2023 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ASPaulding (Post 283751)
I was also using this as a reference.

What reference source is this?

ASPaulding 12th August 2023 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffS (Post 283756)
What reference source is this?


https://fmapulse.com/weapons-of-the-philippines-2/

ASPaulding 12th August 2023 01:13 AM

I believe xasterix is correct.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15148

xasterix 12th August 2023 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chmorshuutz (Post 283750)
Salamat po sa tugon.

How about those traditional blades I've seen from Rizal province, particularly around Binangonan. They also have a similarly shaped profile, pointed and with wide belly, but is called "sungot hipon" (or interchangeably, ulang) instead. Is it the same profile with a different name, or am I missing some subtle differences?

Same profile yes, but different name pagdating sa Rizal province. Also, the antique Rizal versions usually have a false edge and are more needle-like towards the tip.

xasterix 12th August 2023 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chmorshuutz (Post 283753)
This one looks more like a sinampalok from Batangas province. Not sure why is it labelled matulis again.

Yup, indeed a combat sinampalok, differentiated from the standard/utility sinampalok profile which is short and wide-bladed.

Interested Party 12th August 2023 03:51 PM

Am I correct in that the example shown has a chisel edge? It appears that holding the blade away from the body by the grip that the right side is flat while the left is beveled? Would this make this a left-handed version, in that it would be easy to flatten and smooth a surface held vertically by the right hand with downward strokes?

ASPaulding 13th August 2023 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party (Post 283767)
Am I correct in that the example shown has a chisel edge? It appears that holding the blade away from the body by the grip that the right side is flat while the left is beveled? Would this make this a left-handed version, in that it would be easy to flatten and smooth a surface held vertically by the right hand with downward strokes?

No, they are both beveled. I really appreciate everybody's input on this blade. I have learned a lot. Even though I have much nicer examples in my collection it is still one of my favorites. :)


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