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Turkish flintlock pistol nicely decorated
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The pistol measure 20” overall
French style lock plate with some engraving, The wooden stock is carved and We can see a saber motif, the butt –piece is made from silver.Also it has ramrod- pipes with a false wooden ramrod It is always difficult to estimate the age for those pistols my guess is that it should be from the middle of the 19TH century . Any comment on it will be welcome. BEST Cerjak |
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Nice Ottoman pistol from the Balkans!
With a classical Zulfikar pattern |
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The way that the stock is carved , and the false wooden ramrod and also the barrel is typical for Balkan pistol ,see the pictures from a second pistol from my collection. Best CERJAK |
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Here are two pistols which I can easily associate with the Balkans. |
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Cerjak, here are a pair of pistols which I have been told are Ottoman, with your two pistols on underneath for a comparison. Are there elements on mine which would identify them as being Balkan or non-Balkan?
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Here are two pistols which I can easily associate with the Balkans.
The second one is Greek. If I may I suggest two books Elgood, Firearms of the Islamic world Elgood, The Arms of Greece and Her Balkan Neighbors in the Ottoman Period Our French friend is right, most these pistols are from the Balkans. But you are right also, the limit is very thin, it's like some daggers or swords... Anyway these weapons were produced for the Ottoman market! Kubur |
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Sorry , I have mixed by mistake my answer and as I wrote in the tittle for this pistol ,my guess is that they are Turkish ( Ottoman) or may be made for the Ottoman market. Best CERJAK |
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Most of the pistol said to be from the Balkan ( Greece Albania) I have seen was with a partial or full stock encased in metal plates and also some time a part of barrel . One perfect example is the traditional Albanian pistol , known as 'rat tail'. At last It seems for me that the miquelet lock is more common for pistols from ( Greece Albania) . I hope that you could understand me as my English is not so good. Best CERJAK |
ONE MORE OTTOMAN PISTOL
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ONE MORE OTTOMAN PISTOL
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I have a question... What's the point of a dummy ram rod? I had one of these once, and thought it a tourista replica, because of having a carved rod. That would make loading, problematic. Unless they carried a complete loading kit.
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Makes sense. Guess they hadn't come up with the captive rammer, as in most western cavalry muzzle loaders.
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MY OTTOMON PISTOL
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HERE IS MY TURKISH OTTOMON PISTOL AND A ALBANIAN MISQUELET RAT TAILED PISTOL,DURING OTTOMON RULE IN ALBANIA
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Kuber, you may be right, but the owner (Met Museum) describes it thus
Hi Museums are always wrong, please, see previous posts! :) |
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Here is the typical description of what areas encompass the "Balkans". Quote:
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Ok my friend escrtch
I think Balkans is more appropriate because it is a region. Ottoman is a period. Ottomans ruled from Istanbul to Algers and Yemen. For example, Algerians pistols are very different. So the region is probably more informative. Or Ottoman Balkans if you prefer... Kubur :) |
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I posted mines.
The last one is Algerian. Kubur |
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Woaw it is a hard question.
To be honest I should say nothing. BUT for me, Turkish is a population from Central Asia. After the collapse of Ottoman Empire, Ataturk started the process of Turkification and laid the bases of Modern Turkey. To my own and personnal knowledge, these pistols were produced in the Balkans for the Ottomans. But they are not Turks. The Ottomans also used Caucasian pistols... May be I'm wrong... You decide. |
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When I see weapons and or armor that originated in the Ottoman empire and there is no distinct sign of it being made or used by any particular region, country etc I call the item "Ottoman", such as an Ottoman kilij, on the other hand when an item is known to have come from a distinct region/country that was part of the Ottoman empire I use that region/country in the discription (Ottoman Empire Albanian "Rat Tail" Flint Pistol) or (Ottoman Empire Balkan yatagan). This is just my opinion based what I have read and observed. |
could someone roughly date my pistols which I posted,kubur could help,cheers
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Of course, they are almost like mine.
I would say 1800 - 1840 AD. (for both). Then these guns were used up to the end of the 19th c. Best, Kubur |
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Here is a comparison of forum members Ottoman pistols, three of Cerjaks, Kubers, Bandooks and my pair. All very similar with Kubers showing the most difference in my opinion with the front of the barrel being encased in metal.
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The obviously different forum members pistols, three Albanian rat tail pistols, Bandooks, Kubers and mine, and Bandooks Algerian pistol.
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The Algerian, may be Algerian, but I don't think it's a real gun. I've seen, and owned many decorators, with the same hammer, and aluminum furniture. The sheet metal trigger guard is another giveaway. More detailed photos might prove me wrong.
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OTTOMON\BALKAN OR GREEK
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JUST GOT THIS ONE RECENTLY AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IT HERE,BEATIFUL DECORATIONS ON THE METAL AND WOOD,CHEERS
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Hi Rajesh,
Interesting barrel. The pistol seems to have been used and reused. They transformed the flintlock into a percussion. You will have a lot of work to restore the stock, I can see a big crack and a modern screw... As you said nice woodcarving, as you may know, they (the people from the Balkans) copied the Italian wooden stock. Best, Kubur |
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Hi Bandook.
That is a really interesting pistol you found. Converted to percussion back in the period. You don't see many of these conversions. Good find!! And your's shows the typical long, hard use many of these pistols endured. The cost and thus limited availability of percussion caps in the Region is likely why we find so few of these guns converted. Cerjack: That's a nice example you originally posted. Actually, I like the looks of the all iron mountede pistols like your's even more than the brass mounted ones. Also, great looking pistols all. I came in to this Thread a bit late. Just by coincidence, I was going to Post two of these pistols this weekend. So I shall do so on a seperate Post since it is picture heavy. Also close up pics of the two variations of the "false" ramrods discussed above. Rick. |
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i imagine the inlaid depiction of the prophet's sword zul fiqar on the stock might help pin it down as a 'zulfiqar' pistol ;)
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Now THAT is really neat!!! :D Thanks for posting. Rick.
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THANKS RICK FOR THE COMMENTS AND THAT IMAGE OF ZULFILKAR IS AMAZING,SHALL CHECK ON THE OTHER GUN OF MINE,CHEERS
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