Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard
 

Seadajak Sword with old type Handle and rare scabbard .

Brass inlay on the back and the side .


Ben


ps Michael did you see an scabbard with that rare end ???

Hi Ben,


Happy new year!!
Great looking parang.
It is nice to see the similarities in style with this handle of yours to the higher Coppenshandle Michael has!

How old it was estimated you told me these handles were in fashion? (I can,t quite remember). I believed you told me about 1875?

Also nice carved scabbard!!

Maurice

Congratulations!

The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009! :D
It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style.
Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish.
On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example).
So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style?

Michael

Happy New Year, interesting handle, the forming of the gunge around the top and the silver coin. What is the metal on the grip?

Hi Maurice that is correct .

Hi Michael maybe it is the other way around that is the way I like to find out.

I think that there are 2 variations off pandats that one type did belong to the seadayaks but I never did found any proof that this right or wrong .

You are right whit thinking that there must be a few variations of the Jimpul
type we know from the shelford publication .
I see to much of this type very old ones .
You have also a few maybe you can post them also here to compare .

Compare your Oldman and your Coppens both maybe same age different area
different style .

The metal on the Handle is not silver Tim but could be an mix .

Ben

It could be tin? but most likely a local silver. Tin lead and silver?

Hi Tim no not tin it is more metal mix whit maybe a little silver but it is to strong to be silver and I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway .

The coins are silver from the netherlands .

Ben

Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder.

Paktong.

Hi Ben,
I didn't know this....am I right that the 'white' of the boiled egg changes colour when in contact with silver ? Can you 'gauge' the silver content by the speed of the 'reaction'.... is the colour change 'darker'... the higher the silver content ? Could you explain..Thank you

Regards and Happy New Year

David

Hi David


I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon .


Ben

Thank you Ben :)

Is that the same as berlin silver


Ben

Do you mean German Silver?

Hi Jose yes I mean German silver overhere in Netherlands/Germany they call it Berlin silver.

I think the English call it alpacca but not sure .


Ben

Hi Ben,

There are two styles of pandat but they are Sidin and Bennah according to Shelford (see examples in order).
The ones with the resembling scabbard end as your parang are Sidin.
So I assume that you suspect that it's the Sidin version that somehow is connected to Iban?

On jimpul variations I consider the following two jimpul too even if they don't have the squarish end of the blade.

Michael

Found the following :
Alpaca / Berlin silver :
copper: 64 à 65 %
zinc: 23 à 24%
nickel: 12%

But I can imagine if it is locally made any combination of materials could be used. :shrug:

best regards,
Willem

My second Seadajak parang did get it yesterday.

It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle .

And very long hair from the handle .

Ben

Hi Ben,


Nice example....:D
I have not often seen these kind of little faces on the handles. Also the carvings on the scabbard I do like.
Are those metal bands on the scabbard?

Maurice

Hi Maurice yes metal bands .

Ben

Another beauty!

Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first.
Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it?
Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak?
Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL?

Michael

Ben, you need to get that white metal tested properly. I have been thinking about your test, I could eat a boiled egg every day for a month and a silver spoon may still not tarnish. It does already look tarnished.

Hi Michael it is smaller but it is an heavy one .

In real it looks much better.

But first one is the best these 2 comes from the same collector has the best Parang Ilang collection that I know with the rarest piece s.

Ben

Hi Ben,

here the pic I promised ( the one in the middle)

Arjan

Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ?

that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ???

Thanks Ben

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.


Arjan.

Although this is not as curved and I know little about these really. I can see some similarities to the blade and the scabbard. Any more information would be very nice to know. This is my a favourite.

Nice blade that lower one I did ask because I see same style scabbard but with an
LT style blade in the scabbard after I left your nice shop .

Ben

Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one?
Please let me know why it's Iban?
Is the lower one a Parang Gayang?

Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones.

Michael

Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

The handle on Ben's 2nd parang is puzzling too. (with the little heads)
I have seen nothing like it before.

Where is it from Ben ?

Hi Michael,

The hilt is puzzling me too , I have the idea that this piece is from the north of Borneo below the Murut area but I have no proof.

The lower one is what I call a mandau from the Dusun tribe.

regards,

Arjan.

Hi Willem this is very old Iban style I have seen it but can't remember where
the picture is .

As soon as I found it I will let it know .

But I have an new one coming up also with heads .

Ben

Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them.
I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

Thanks David for bringing up this But I did see also one that has same style
as the one I have it has a few faces on the handle in same style .


The one you looks like an old one but not an Iban style one .

But the handle you have is an nice old one .

Ben

Ben, I found the picture. :eek:
Not of the handle, but a picture of the blade and scabbard with another handle...
I really wonder where the handle is from. :cool:
Is the handle Iban ?
Is the blade Iban ?
Are they both Iban and... when where they joined together ? :shrug:
Do the metal bands on the scabbard make it Iban ?
And if so, why where they only recently added ? :shrug:
Is the shell any indication ?
or just recently added. etc ect :shrug:

Considering this iban parang was assembled as a composite in the 21st century, is it worth considering the origin / style or age when it is in fact no longer an original combination of blade and handle at all.

A Puzzling Iban parang indeed.
maybe better to bring up your next one :D

Yes Willem they look the same very much this I get from an collector that I am sure he does not buy at oriental arms .

It must be (if they are the same) before he get it he has it several years at his wall that I now off.

It is coming from an collector from Rotterdam .

Metal bands does not look like an replace.

I like to see an close pic off the carving to be sure if it is the same .




Ben

Hello Ben,

Close up pics are in the archive at Oriental arms website.
You can check, it is 100% sure same blade / same scabbard.
They are pretty far back, in 2003 somewhere just before I bought the following mandau from you via ebay.
Notice the hilt ? :shrug:

Hi David,

Thanks for posting, but I was just trying to forget it.... ;)

regards,

Arjan

Nice to see that somebody take the hilt off put an very nice one on it (that I did not see that it belong together it fits perfect even the metal bands) I must say it is an very good restauration .

But anyway I like this one very much .

Better than the hair shield you have that one that is complete distroyed with red and black paint.

I like to thank you for let me know this I have to be more looking at the stuf that I can buy .

Maybe we can see more about the mandau and scabbard so I might trace back where it did come from . ( If that was mine and put it in an new thread this one goes about seadajak/jimpul )

Because when I start to collect mandau it was something like 2002/2003 have an old pic from my collection from that time and can't remember the one you showing.

Ben