Tribal dart quiver
 

Hi, this is a dart quiver that i do not know anything about. Anyone more familiar with tribal items? Where it comes from? Why some darts have this sort of spongus material and the others are plain?

Hi Eftihis,

I think Philippines , Tagbanau tribe from Palawan.
the sponges material is mostly carried in a different container the are placed on the darts just before shooting.They are to make the dart fit into the bore of the blowgun.

Arjan.

I'm with Arjan.
Philippines.

I WOULD SAY BORNEO , THEIR DARTS AND QUIVERS ARE THE SAME AND THE PUNAN ALSO HAVE THE SOFT WOODEN PLUG ON THE ENDS OF THEIR DARTS. I HAVE NEVER SHOT DARTS WITH ANYONE IN THE PHILIPPINES SO CAN'T COMMENT ON WHAT THEIRS LOOK LIKE. THE CARVING ON THE WOODEN HOLDER IS WHAT MAKES ME SAY DAYAK. :) INCLUDED ARE 3 PIC'S 2 OF DART CONTAINERS AND ONE OF A KENYAH HUNTER WITH BLOWGUN/SPEAR (SUMPIT) AND A WILD PIG TAKEN IN 1922.

I still think it is from the Philippines, Tau't Bato tribe. I have a similar quiver. The Frenchman who sold it to me had brought the quiver back from this tribe in the sixties. He was sent to this tribes in the Philippines to bring medicines.

PERHAPS THIS POST WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO POST SOME PICTURES OF PHILLIPPINE, DAYAK AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE OR COUNTRYS WHO USE BLOWGUNS. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A PLACE TO COMPARE THE BLOWGUNS AND ACESSARYS FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES FOR REFRENCE.

HERE IS A DRAWING DONE IN 1703 OF NATIVES MAKEING WAR WITH BLOWGUNS IN MAKASAR, NOTE THE DART.
AND A PICTURE OF A SPEAR AND BLOWGUN FROM TORAJA

I have not seen a Tagbanua quiver (particularly the belt hook) like this before. Thus I tend to be on the side of the Borneo origin. I must say though that quivers from Palawan and Borneo can easily be mixed up by an untrained eye.

The Tagbanua and Tao't Batu (both of Palawan, Philippines) used quivers that may be difficult to differentiate, as it is possible that one may have adopted the technology from the other. My 2 cents.

This one looks like it comes from borneo .

Like to see one from the philipine that looks like this one .



Ben

Here it is.
Tau't Bato tribe from the Philippines. In the top of the cover poison was poured to put the tip of the arrows in.

The picture of the warrior with blowpipe and quiver is a member of the Tau't Bato tribe.

The quiver shown as Tau't Batu of Palawan is the same as the ones used by the Tagbanua (and Batak negritos of Palawan). The quiver in question, on the other hand, has a wooden hip hook design that is dissimilar. Therefore, I do not think that it is from Palawan - i.e. not Batak, not Tau't Batu, and not Tagbanua.

You right Nonoy Tan also the rattan binding is different from the dajaks
also the dart looks different

The top never Used as poison store they have poison disc where they prepare
the poison to put on the darts .

and poison mostly kept in leave s


Ben

Here is one not often see with complete rattan top this one can be found
in the welknown Oldman cataloque and should be dated before 1900.


the other complete with container for the op off the darts .
and the other one storage container for darts and tools this one is taken in 1880 from Borneo .

Ben

I also vote Dayak Borneok - notice the aso on the outside of the quiver and the deity on the cylinder.....Dayak motifs........

The hook also makes me say dayak.
Surely looks like an aso/asu figure to me.
Although a style that I know no other examples of.

Hi Willem show us an pic off your sumpitan it is one off the best I did ever see





Ben

Mmmm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You show me yours, I'll show you mine... :D :D :D

Ps. they are not for sale / nor trade or whatever. :p

VERY NICE EXAMPLES I CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD NOT WISH TO SELL THEM. :)

FROM THE PICTURE IT APPEARS THAT ONE BLADE HAS A PATTERN BUT I CAN'T TELL FOR SURE. THE OTHER BLADE IS A VERY UNUSUAL FORM I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE. I THINK THE LITTLE METAL PIECE STICKING UP OPPOSITE FROM THE BLADE IS USED FOR SIGHTING CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. THE ONES I SHOT IN BORNEO WITH THE PUNAN DID NOT HAVE BLADES OR SIGHTS SO I HAVE NEVER USED ONE WITH A SIGHT BEFORE.
I HAVE USED A MODERN METAL VERSION OF THE JIVARO BLOWGUN FOR HUNTING SMALL CRITTERS IN THE PAST ,I GOT IT IN THE 1960'S AND IT IS QUITE ACCURATE BUT HAS NO SIGHT.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF THE HUNTER I POSTED ABOVE AND I MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG SAYING IT WAS A PIG AS IT ALSO RESEMBLES A SMALL TYPE OF JUNGLE DEER FOUND IN SOME AREAS. :confused:

Ok Willem here are mine Sumpitan s


Ben

THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOWGUNS I HAVE SEEN IN INDO CHINA (MALAYSIA, BORNEO, ECT) HAVE BEEN OF THE ROUND SORT AND NOT HAVING A LARGE MOUTHPIECE ADDED TO THE END. THE QUIVERS ARE USUALLY MADE OF BAMBOO AND THE DARTS USE A PITH CONE ON THE END TO SEAL THE DART IN THE TUBE. THEY ALSO HAVE A SPEAR BLADE AND METAL SIGHT, WHICH IS NOT USED IN SOUTH AMERICA. I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE SHORT RECTANGLER ONES SAID TO BE MORO BUT THERE WAS NO PROVENANCE.

THE ONES USED IN SOUTH AMERICA ARE EITHER ROUND OR A FLAT RECTANGLER SHAPED. THE ROUND ONES HAVE THE LARGE MOUTHPIECE AND THE RETANGULAR DO NOT HAVE A MOUTH PIECE. BOTH STYLES OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN BLOWGUNS DO NOT HAVE A SPEAR BLADE. THE DART QUIVERS ARE OFTEN VERY SIMPLY MADE FROM PLANT FIBERS AND ALL USE SOME FORM OF PLANT FIBER LIKE (COTTON OR KAPOK) ON THE END TO SEAL THE LONG SPLINTER OR THORN. I THINK THERE IS A LARGER SET OF DARTS, POISON AND KAPOK THAT MAY BE LEFT AT THE CAMP WHILE HUNTING I HAVE SUCH A SET. JUST A SMALLER QUIVER WITH DARTS ALREADY PREPARED FOR USE WAS PROBABLY TAKEN ON THE HUNT. THE BLOWGUNS ARE QUITE LONG AND SOMETIMES HAVE A SIGHT MADE OF BONES OR TEETH FROM VARIOUS ANIMALS, PROBABLY TO BRING LUCK ON THE HUNT.

PICTURES ADDED ARE ALL DAYAK, SUMPIT MOUTHPEICE, BLADE, DARTS AND A TOOL FOR MAKING DARTS.
THERE IS ANOTHER BLOWGUN MADE IN THE FORM OF A DRAGON WITH A SMALL CONTAINER FOR DARTS. THE DRAGONS TAIL IS REMOVED AND THE DART INSERTED AND LEAVES THRU THE DRAGONS MOUTH. I HAVE SEEN THESE MADE OF HORN AND BONE SINCE THE 1960'S. I SUSPECT THEY ARE MADE FOR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FOR ACTUAL USE. BUT THEY ARE NEAT LOOKING. :D

MY THANKS TO THERION ARMS FOR SOME OF THE PICTURES I HOPE HE DOSEN'T MIND MY USING THEM FOR EXAMPLES. :)

SOUTH AMERICAN EXAMPLES FOR COMPARISON, JIVARO PREPARING DARTS, BLOWGUN AND QUIVER WITH DARTS.

TWO MORE FROM SOUTH AMERICA. 1. YAGUAS TRIBE PERU, HUNTER WITH A LONG BLOWGUN. 2. 1960 HUAORANI WARRIOR WITH BLOWGUN, CLUB, POISON POT AND SHRUNKEN HEAD.

The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries. It is a type I do not know, and it seems to resemble the hilts from the Batak on Sumatra. I am very curious about the source of the picture! Can you help?

THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

Here is a blowgun from the Philippines. It is made of wood. The rattan binding that holds the spearhead and sight in place has worn off and has been replaced by nylon string. I am unsure of its exact origin in the Philippines, but suspect that it comes from one of the Negrito tribes (possibly the Agta/Aeta of Luzon) or the Ilongot (of Northeastern Luzon).

Now I see, it indeed is a quiver with darts. Never seen this shape before!
It is a pity that destroying books (and in the process losing the provenace) generates more money than selling the complete one.

A small group of borneo quivers and other bamboo containers.
Jus a 'little bit' out of focus :shrug:

Hello Albert,

I'm missing something: A sword hilt figured on the old print with the 3 native blow-gunners? Help! :o

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

My mistake, the 'sword hilt' appears to be a bundle of blow-darts butts.

Albert

Hello,

I hope it's ok that I reactivate this threat again. Today I received my last e-bay buy, a "Tolor" from Palawan. Since I have a nice Tolor from Dayak-tribe I want to share both with you and show the differents between both.
If the different size is typical is difficult to say by only two items for compare.
The Dayak quiver is 29 cm and the one from Palawan is 49 cm long. But the belt hook seems for both typical when you look to the other shown quiver before. The same is it with the rattan bindings like Dayak note before. Very different look the darts.
Here at first both quiver side by side.

Here some close ups from the Dayak quiver.

And here close ups from the quiver from Palawan.

Here the two darts for comparison. It seems that the Dayak darts get their poison some time before while the Palawan dart is without poison what let me guess that the darts get the poison just before hunting. But this is only a guess.
The Dayak dart is on the left hand.

Here both quiver with the blow gun I received with the Palawan item. It has some patina but seems not so old like the quiver and maybe shortened.

sajen

The seller give me the information that the Palawan quiver is from the Batak people.

sajen

Hi Detlef,

The dayak quiver is awesome :eek: . I turned several shades of green out of envy :o

Fantastic piece, complete with the hung.
If you ever get tired of it....

Hi Willem,

thank you very much. The best by this Tolor is that I get it very, very cheap in the beginning of the 90ties in Indonesia/Bali. So nobody shall speak that you can't buy good antiques in Indonesia. But unfortunally I've never seen a nice one like this again in Indonesia until now.

Detlef

Yep, Ebay is bombing us with Malay junk quivers. Too bad :shrug:

i becae obcessed with blowguns since i was about 4 years old seeing a documentary of how they were made and used by natives in ecudor

on blow guns in south east asia or that . area......
has anyone ever seen any papuan ones for sale... i have only ever seem them pictured in black and white images.. but some tribes there definitely used them some being very long with long darts being used. they appear to be made from spit hollowed out cane. like the south american ones.

i guess closer to home in a way blow guns are still used in southern france but only in competition.. looks like form texts and images in europe in the middle ages steel ones just like the ones still use din france were used for hunting and sport.
they came to europe from the middle east and their is definitely accounts of arabs using them in that time..
and from my understanding the arabs in turn got them from south east asia.
others like the japanese and the native tribes in the eastern USA seem to be local developments.

the reason i mention it is that looks like the malay people shave had a really strong love for the blow gun... eclipsing even bows and i suspect that they were common throught all malay groups in a common style untill guns really made them vanish and they just stayed on with the more isloated tribal peoples

After I've sold my Dayak tolor shown in the previous posts and the Batak quiver from Palawan also I was able to get a "new" Dayak tolor, not as nice as the old one but a good honest example.

Hi Sagen
very nice QuiverS ,specially the short one.
I did not seen your post before to start my thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23902

I can see that that you have a set of tolls do you have any needle like the two I have in my set ?
Best

Cerjak