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Battara 3rd December 2006 08:59 PM

Nice Panday - is that a new kampilan?

panday 3rd December 2006 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Nice Panday - is that a new kampilan?


yes battara, it's a new one, just got it this friday. i thought it was another whalebone :)

Bill M 6th December 2006 12:47 PM

Boy's Moro Kris
 
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Blade is 14" OAL 18" Ganja is not separate. Laminated blade.

Full sized kris for comparison.

Comments?

Bill M 6th December 2006 01:14 PM

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I think this is a Kuba Ikula. Open to comments about age and authenticity.

14" overall.

Battara 6th December 2006 07:16 PM

I know that African is not my specialty, but Bill what you have is a nice puppy - the copper Kuba knives are scarcer and I believe are ceremonial to be used by nobility. I like it. :)

Robert 6th December 2006 07:24 PM

I'm the same, I know very little about these but I know what I like and I like this a lot!! Great blade.

Robert

Tim Simmons 6th December 2006 08:07 PM

Very nice Bill totally genuine perhaps 1930-40. This is my latest African find. Ball staff, diameter 4.5cm, shown next to a light knobkerrie.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...appy/NA003.jpg

Bill M 7th December 2006 12:08 AM

Thanks for the kind words on the Kuba gents. Hope that some of the African collectors will comment.

Anything about the little kris?

Bill M 7th December 2006 08:22 PM

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Budiknon Shield and a few other Moro pieces. Early Christmas presents. Let's see this would be Christmas of 2006, 2007 and 2008 -- maybe 2009?

Lew 7th December 2006 08:35 PM

Bill

I have been having a problem with Santa :( He keeps stuffing my stocking with sharp pointy swords but he forgets the scabbards. So when I wake up on X-MAS day I find the swords have cut through the bottom of the stockings and they are sticking into my nice wood floors :mad: ;) Can you email him and let him know of the problem since he must really like you because he brings you such nice toys :D

Lew

kino 7th December 2006 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh
Budiknon Shield and a few other Moro pieces. Early Christmas presents. Let's see this would be Christmas of 2006, 2007 and 2008 -- maybe 2009?

:( Daayum, all I get are socks and underoos. It does pay to be good. I see that shield was made for you. The letter "M" at the top of it. Can you post a photo of the Barung on the right, it seems to be in the shadows.

Bill M 7th December 2006 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kino
:( Daayum, all I get are socks and underoos. It does pay to be good. I see that shield was made for you. The letter "M" at the top of it. Can you post a photo of the Barung on the right, it seems to be in the shadows.


Daayum Kino, he is a bit shy, but I'll drag him out and stand him at attention in front o' me purple cloth.

kino 8th December 2006 12:51 AM

WOW! A good looking family of weapons. Cool display. Thanks for sharing.

Bill M 8th December 2006 02:26 AM

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WOW! A good looking family of weapons. Cool display. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you Kino, for the kind words.

Bill M 11th December 2006 01:31 AM

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In the grand tradition of Panday and his coat rack, 25 pounds of 19th c Moro armor.

Wish I had a 28 inch waist.

David 11th December 2006 01:46 AM

Well Bill....i have a 28" waist (well, OK, 29", but a deep inhale and a dap of cooking oil here and there... ;) )....and,well you know, it being Christmas time and all and, well, the spirit of giving and all that.... :rolleyes: :D

David 11th December 2006 01:48 AM

Actually, i'd be more interested in seeing a picture of you in the Vanson. :p :D

Bill M 11th December 2006 02:14 AM

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Actually, i'd be more interested in seeing a picture of you in the Vanson. :p :D


Hmmm. It glows in the dark. Startling when hanging in the closet.

CollectingNewbie 11th December 2006 03:15 AM

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just won this one this monring :D

Bill M 11th December 2006 11:52 AM

Nice bulova axe. Looks authentic. You should chnage your name :D from Newbie!

Tim Simmons 12th May 2007 04:20 PM

frugal repast
 
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Got this today. 102cm long. I have been admiring it all afternoon with very cold lager and some lovely biltong a local South African chap down the road makes. Rather nice :) .

Freddy 12th May 2007 05:59 PM

Cheap, cheap, cheap
 
I found this one recently at an antique market.

I think it's a Hadendoa dagger. Don't think it's very old, but it's complete with its leather sheath. And............it was cheap at only 5 Euro.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...oa-detail2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...n/Hadendoa.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...oa-detail1.jpg

roshan 20th February 2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian
Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

This is simply due to migration from parts of the Philippines with high population densities to areas with lower ones, resulting in the natives of those regions being reduced to minorities, and eventually, assimilated. This isnt something unique to Palawan. The large island of Mindoro, which lies between Palawan and the Tagalog speaking areas of Luzon has shared the same fate. Much of Mindanao has been turned into a Visayan "lebensraum" and Cebuano is now the lingua franca of much of the region. Similarly, the Ilocanos have spread out from their core Ilocos region and have Ilocanized most of northern Luzon.

Palawan has a lot of native languages, Tagbanwa is not the only one. There is also the Palawan language, as well as other tribal tongues. Interestingly, the Tagbanwa are amongst the few peoples of the Philippines who continue to use native writing systems of Brahmi (Sanskrit alphabet) origin.

I think in a couple of generations, we are going to see a drastic reduction in the number of languages and ethnic groups in the Philippines.

kahnjar1 20th February 2008 06:50 AM

GOT IT!!
 
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:D This was subject of earlier thread. Managed to "extract" it from its owner, and it now lives with the rest of my Dha.

CharlesS 20th February 2008 03:35 PM

As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war".

Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger??

Thanks for sharing.

kahnjar1 20th February 2008 05:20 PM

Previous Thread Tulwar/Dha
 
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war".

Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger??

Thanks for sharing.

Hi Charles,
Refer previous thread dated 30th January "Help with Identification Please". All discussion re this item is there.
Regards Stuart

ThePepperSkull 19th May 2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kino
Three more from todays gun show excursion. One in need of dental repair.

hey, he reminds me of mang isko, the drunk that used to hung around nanay pacing's carenderia, LOL...

Personally, that monster hilt reminded me of my Tito Boy. He loves his lambanog. :D



On another note, I thought I would revive this thread in case anyone wanted to share a new acquisition, but did not want to start a new thread on their newfound piece.

I have a couple of kris coming in that I find particularly simple (but well done) and would not generate enough discussion to warrant separate threads (WWII. separate gangya. both maranao. I love 'em as much as someone can love an inanimate object, but that's basically all that could be said about these pieces to be honest.) That being said, I thought it would be wise for me to post them here once they arrive, since I am still anxious to share them.

Pics when they come in!

Sajen 19th May 2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

On another note, I thought I would revive this thread in case anyone wanted to share a new acquisition, but did not want to start a new thread on their newfound piece.


That's really funny, just yesterday I read this thread again und thought about to reactivate it again. ;) :cool:

I am curious to see your new babys!

Regards,

Detlef

Spunjer 19th May 2011 11:41 AM

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hahahahaha! everyone has a tito boy, but why is it that there's no tita girl :shrug: ?

Spunjer 19th May 2011 11:55 AM

Kamagong pommel with ivory inlays; 6 1/2" long and 2" wide. 16" laminated blade. in comparison with two other junggayans on the bottom pic

CharlesS 19th May 2011 12:56 PM

Magnificent Spunjer!...you know one of those is my "dream piece!" ;)

Spunjer 19th May 2011 01:05 PM

Note taken, Charles, hehe...

Battara 20th May 2011 12:00 AM

Nice pieces. Perdy! :D

ThePepperSkull 21st May 2011 06:36 PM

Very purdy indeed. The Ivory and Gold combination is beautiful.

Maurice 21st May 2011 11:05 PM

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Magnificent Spunjer!...you know one of those is my "dream piece!" ;)

Ron, can you make a note that I want the other 2 that Charles doesn't want? ;-)

Here my latest acquisition to share!

Rg,
Maurice

Montino Bourbon 22nd May 2011 12:45 AM

not exactly “ethnographic”...
 
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I took a one-week long smithing class and made this. Yes, I have videos of me hammering the red-hot steel.

I was inspired by the 12th century sword “Hocho Masamune". The "yaki-ire", quenching the steel to harden it after applying clay to the blade, came out perfectly, and the hamon is clearly visible.

My friend and colleague Michael Bell of Dragonfly Forge taught the class. I made the sheath and handle, sort of "Shira-saya" style, after I got back.

Bill M 22nd May 2011 02:46 AM

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One of my dream pieces. Ron has the only one I ever saw that was similar. I very much admire the way he acquired it! Scratch and sniff!!"

This much gold is very rare. Makes Islamic men weak. "Unless you are a king." Well-known Moro authority told me. Perhaps both of these were made for kings?

A.alnakkas 22nd May 2011 08:59 AM

"This much gold is very rare. Makes Islamic men weak"

Not more then other human beings ;)

beautiful pieces all and lovely Craftmanship, Montino.

asomotif 22nd May 2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill M
This much gold is very rare. Makes Islamic men weak. "Unless you are a king."

:rolleyes: Weakens your budget, unless you are a king ;)

Very nice piece. Love the structure of the ivory.

Best regards,
Willem

Gavin Nugent 22nd May 2011 01:09 PM

Indeed it does
 
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Originally Posted by asomotif
:rolleyes: Weakens your budget, unless you are a king ;)

Damn right there, my budget is very weak now :shrug:

My thanks to a quiet member for helping me obtain this example.....hmmmmm gold :D

Gav


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