Four good khyber swords with two scabbards and an a interesting shield. Ottoman?

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ian,

yes, that's what i was thinking as well. the scabbard also screams luzon. well, batangueno, lol.


you notice the punto too, huh? the latest one, it does have a short punto. as for the gap, another forumite mentioned that most likely it had a carabao horn ring around it at one time...

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html


ron

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

well, it's just an assumption, michael, about mine being batangas in origin. i'm also basing it on what ian mentioned. the scabbard with yours does look visayan, tho. hmmmm... :confused:

Michael:

Even though your example looks like a typical Malay parang naibur, as described and illustrated in Stone, the full length tang with terminal plate on the hilt is unusual for Malay weapons which are almost always of a blind tang construction. I say "almost always" because although I have not seen a full length tang I don't exclude the possibility that someone else may have.

So I think your example is probably from Batangas also. The sheath does look Pilipino rather than from Borneo. Batangas, even though part of Luzon, is close to the Visayas and that style of scabbard could be from Batangas also.

Ian.

Thanks Ron
 

Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

Not really old, nothing special. Arab saif with silver fittings, bone slabs hilt. There are also some markings on the forte of the blade, but nothing of importance

Sorry for the bad pic.

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8493/dsci00039uq.jpg

Thanks Ian and Ron for helping me identify my sword!

Michael

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

I think your club would be better if it had ridges on them...for optimal damage.

Thanks Michael
 

Michael:

You are absolutely correct. I was thinking of the end plate-peened tang construction when I made the comment above. Loose statement on my part. :o

Ian.

interesting, ian. didn't know that the predominant dialect over there is tagalog. i always assumed that since it's in the same latitude as the visayan region, a variant of the visayan dialect would be spoken there....

Kankanaey, not Ifugao
 

Only Kankanaey and Bontoc have anthropomorphic figures on tangkil. Gaddang, Itneg and Kalinga have simple protrusions of wood/hair, but for the Ifugao the tusks are left bare, as far as I know... ;)

The photograph is by Eduardo Massferré, taken in Sagada, Mountain Province, ca. 1950

Philippine tabak
 

A Philippine tabak, late-19th or early-20th C.

Ian

Nice Ian, I have a similar piece.

gardening tool?
 

"odd" gardening tool found in a shed...
talk about the luck o' the irish...
but i'm not irish...
lolz...

I'd like to see this shed... :D

Danganan Kris
 

Danganan Kris with blade of sulu origin. 18th c. low grade silver kakatua and banati tagub (mindanao ???) appears to be of later addition, perhaps 19th c. OAL = 26". blade = 21"

Wow! that's a beautiful kris Spunger :) good catch.

I'm a new member,love this idea......
Here's mine,came in today...
Leka tribe from Congo.1900.

thanks, pre

Spunger, according to Cato's classifications, your kris might be more Sulu due to the trunk area and the noticible lack of any okir.

hi battara.. right you are. the blade has all the sulu characteristic. what i'm wondering about are the hilt and tagub's origin; whether it's mindanao or sulu..

Bear in mind though, that the position of the hilt relative to the scabbard is a convention that may vary from area to area.
For instance, Surakarta and Yogyakarta strictly observe the convention of the hilt being parallel to the scabbard and facing the short end of the crosspiece.
Madura and Bali on the other hand, have their hilts either at an angle to the scabbard and in the direction of the short end of the crosspiece, or, as for Surakarta and Yogyakarta.
As a matter of fact, I have seen kerises from Malaysia, where the hilts are as in the above picture, parallel to the scabbard and facing the long end of the cross piece.
Even in the Moro kris, one can find the hilts parallel to the scabbard and facing either the short end or the long end of the crosspiece.

Hi all
I posted this Rencong a few weeks back on another thread but not a peep was heard, I like it so much I am posting it again.
cheers
drd

hi drdavid, love the rencong, here's my horn version:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gladius/rencong1.jpg

I've had this for a little while but just got around to taking some pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/P1010027.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/P1010034.jpg

A mid Qing period jian in decent shape, the guard is particularly nice while the pommel is a bit rough in construction. Overall dark chocolate patina which makes photographing a bit of a bummer. :D

You can see the rest of the pics I have of it here:
http://esnips.com/web/inormsPhotos

Barung #28
 

A recent pick up.
OAL 21.5", Blade 13.5"
Like Bill's huge Panabas, this is also a published piece.

:)

Thanks Kino. your pictures are very helpful. I assume that you mean that this is in Cato's book (besides looking familiar). These closeup pictures are wonderful. Maraming Salamat. :D

BTW - what is the "28" about?

Oh, and of course my latest acquistion :D :

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ebone+kampilan

Way sapayan, B. :) Yes it's in Cato' book & in Arts of Asia magazine.

I don't know what the "28" means. I noticed it when I was cleaning the blade.

Let me know if you have problems in securing the whale bone. I know of someone that deals in Ivory (marine, elephant, fossil), and others of related
nature.

Nice catch on the Kamp.

Here is my last purchase.

Lew

Nice stick 28 inches.

Zulu? Swazi?

hmm, you have a wonderfull canggei rencong kronckrew, the hilt & the scabbard made from white horn, i guest. thanks for share with all of us here :)

wow.. what a beutifull pieces you have :) congrat mate
is it a elephant tusk for the hilt and the scabbard ?

Hello Bill,

Where it comes from is a little hard to be sure of. The seller had a very similar but much longer, a staff but damaged, with leather covering the ball part. The stitched leather work reminded me of West African work and as I have another long twisted baton from West Africa I am inclined to think this may well be from those parts rather than the south. Just guess work, nice old one.

Just wanted to share my newest acquisitions.

nice! i was saving for the the one on the very top, lol, but at the rate i was going, i had 33 months to go. glad it went to you, tho...