Thank you very much Reventlov, for this interesting bit of info!

So, let's look at the following:

1) Zwei Türken mit vier Gefangenen - Erhard Schön 1529 http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Sch...ngenen+%5B1%5D
2) Buch von den probierten Künsten - Franz Helm 1535
3) Gorodno (today Belarus) from Vera designatio Urbis in Littavia Grodnae : Ware abconterfectung der Stadt Grodnae in der Littaw 1568.
4) Eques walachus. Ein reuter aufs der walachi - Diversarum gentium armatura equestris Abraham de Bruyn 1576
5) Militis walachia ex vestitus - Omnium pene Europae, Asiae, Aphricae, Americae gentium habitus - Abraham de Bruyn 1581

In addition to these, I would like to add these Mamluks:

6) MAMALVCKE - Three Mamelukes with lances on horseback - Daniel Hopfer 1526-1536 https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...1845-0809-1342
7) Mammalutus, qui abiurata Christ religione, Turc fectam feguitur - Omnium Poene Gentium Imagines Cologne, Abraham de Bruyn 1577
https://www.meisterdrucke.com/kunstd...e-Gravur).html

Remarks:
- As we can see 1), 2), & 6) are pretty much the same depiction. Difficult to know who was first, 1) or 6). My bet is on 6), but this is just a baseless guess. Also, look at the mistake in 2), the sabre has only the front quillon, probably due to the poor visibility of the rear quillon in 1).
- All, except 5), have large "hussar" shields. Not really remarkable, just a note.
- 5) and 7) are very, very similar, even though one depicts a Wallachian, the other a Mamluk. Both are made by de Bruyn.
- 3) & 4) have the same lion on two legs depicted on the shield. You would think that de Bruyn's is the inspiration, but the other one is older...so that's something to ponder.
- those hats...what's with those hats? Tall, simple design (no borders, decorations etc.), fur hats. All, except 3), have twin long feathers. To be continued...

...Continued

Regarding those hats. It could be that those hats are associated with Mamluks, Wallachians/Romanians and Ottomans (from Rumelia) because:

- Wallachian/Romanian shepherds wore (and still do https://revistacititordeproza.files....u-caciula1.jpg) similar hats. They would migrate with their flocs depending on the season, and Germans would learn to associate Wallachians with this style hat. This Moravian Vlach from Brumov, 1787 even has feathers (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A...alach_1787.jpg). Here's a sea of these https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...hoto/524663486 & https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...hoto/525511648. So that much regarding Wallachians.
- Mamluks...well even 7) says: Mammalutus, qui abiurata Christ religione, Turc fectam feguitur = Mamluk, who renounced the religion of Christ, was made a Turk. It seems they associated Mamluks with former Christians (mostly from South-East Europe/Rumelians). Considering that Wallachia Transalpina was an Ottoman vassal at that time (even though not under direct control of the Sultan, it was a vassal), they probably lumped Mamluks, Wallachians/Romanians and Ottomans (from Rumelia most likely) under the same estetic umbrella.
- One more thing... in 1) you can see the two styles of ottomans, one wearing a turban?, the other a simple tall hat. This could mean "a born muslim" Ottoman and a "converted person" or "Ottoman vassal". Not sure, but something to think about.

Daniel Hopfer made a number of engravings (particularly of landsknechts) that were based on prints of Schön and others, sometimes combining figures from different artists into a new composition. So in general, he's unlikely the original artist with this subject matter.

I checked though, and it seems that actually the true original is a print of Mamelukes by Jan Swart van Groningen, made in 1526.

http://warfare.ga/Ottoman/byEuropean...-Solimanvs.htm

Swart's series of prints does differentiate the nationalities: Turks in turbans are labelled Haiden - "pagans".

Nice find, thank you! One thing that intrigues me is coat of arms on the shields of the Turks and Mamluks of Jan Swart van Groningen and Daniel Hopfer. Any idea what it is? I searched briefly only, but it's upper left corners / lower right is reminiscent of the Serbian cross, itself adapted from the Byzantine tetragrammatic cross (like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzant...tantinople.svg) maybe it symbolizes orthodox Christians incorporated into the Ottoman Empire? The other two corners have the crescent moon of Islam, I guess.

I can only guess the same as you do. Western artistic depictions can't be taken too literally since the Ottomans were unfamiliar and exotic enemies. Probably there was some general understanding that the Mamluks were slave-soldiers, and the Ottomans recruited from Balkan peoples... so we get this depiction of "Mamelukes" who are more likely Serbians or what have you, or the shield is a generic symbol of the Ottoman union of Muslim/Orthodox lands.

Vlad's Duels

Here's an experience of mine, and a warning to anyone trying to research Vlad III "Țepeș".
It started with my viewing of this video about a year ago (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NA34EZACkWY), where it says that Țepeș fought two duels for the throne of Wallachia. One with Vladislav II, the other with Dan III. I decided to look it up, and started with the Wikipedia article on Vladislav III in Romanian. No mention of a duel. There is one in Wiki English, but no source is provided... so not trust worthy. Even less could be found for Dan III.
The only historical source that I could find was from "Letopisețul Cantacuzinesc - Istoria Țării Rumânești de când au descălecat pravoslavnicii creștini" which said: Which means "And he (Vladislav) died by the sabre in the middle of Târșor".

You may be wondering. "Sabre/sabie"? In 1456? Shouldn't it be "sword/spată". But you see, the text was written in the late 1600s, so nothing to write home about. Thus, no word of a duel. Confirmation for this lack of any duels came only recently with this video by Corpus Draculianum group which clearly states that there is no evidence for these duels happening https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i6mtzCJWF5Y
Why do I believe them? Because they are the best source of info on Vlad Țepeș that I have found thus far, and recommend them to anybody interested in this topic.

I can't recommend however the following (anything that uses Florescu and McNally as a source really):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MY82EpsvbQ8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtCjc5OwBi4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NA34EZACkWY

I can recommend this part 2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9RoBspQiOiE and the Corpus Draculianum channel (audio is in Romanian, but there are English captions).

Damn! Found another one of those depictions. This one is from Códice De Trajes, 1547.
http://warfare.ueuo.com/Renaissance/...Trajes-59v.htm

And here's what that hat is "Mamluk red zamṭ hat". So his hat was very much associated with the Mamluks.
http://blog.slow-venice.com/fashion-...demia-gallery/
http://warfare.ga/16/Carpaccio-St_Ge...nites-zamt.htm
https://www.rct.uk/collection/990062...uk-dignitaries
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...the_Louvre.jpg
https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File...giorgio_01.jpg

So the similarity between Wallachian and Mamluk depictions seems to be a coincidence only.

Nice! It is interesting to see how far the image circulated. A consequence of the original being a print that could be mass-produced, not a painting or drawing. In this case the caption Mosquwiter would mean "Muscovites"?! The other groups of horsemen are there too... the "Arabs" have become "Tatars".

http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000052132&page=1

Searching in connection with this new version I found that according to at least one 16th century Wappenbuch, the coat of arms seen in some of the versions was attributed to Osman I. I am quite sure that this should not be taken literally, but instead symbolizes the transfer of authority from the Byzantines to the Ottomans.

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/ByzantiumArms.htm

Nice catch! I missed the Tatar picture. I have on more example that shows how unreliable these old prints can be. More on that later.
That's a really nice find! And I agree with your conclusion.

Here's another example how depictions get reused over time.

1 Báthory Zsigmond and George I Rákóczi.

https://ro.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiși...gmond_1596.jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...II_Rakoczy.jpg

2 Michael the Brave and Gheorghe Ștefan

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...and_02_311.jpg

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Also, another example of that wool hat that Wallachians are depicted with. Portrait of Michael the Brave. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg

Here's another example of the same depiction used for two different people, Bathory Istvan and False Dmitry I.

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...33_-_1586).jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...ump-to-license

This just gets weirder and weirder.

1 - two Michael the Brave portraits combined to give on Andrei Movilă/Andrzej Mohyła.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...aiViteazul.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rij_Mohyla.jpg

2 - how about this portrait of Bethlen Gabor (see attached picture), which is actually another portrait of Michael the Brave. Although this likely is a more modern mistaken identity.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki..._Viteazul).png

Last examples:

1 - Gabor Bethlen with and without hat.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...d_01_439_2.jpg
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...d_01_437_2.jpg

2 - Bocskai István with and without sabre.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ay-istvan1.jpg
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...re_bocskai.jpg

After seeing all of this, I now have a healthy dose of scepticism when looking at these old depictions.

Perhaps, the most informative source of old Hungarian swords is the so-called Kepes Kronica, " The illustrates chronic", a book written in ~1370 on the order of a Hungarian King Louis ( Lajos) I. It shows a variety of Hungarian armamentarium at that time: a co-existence of both European and Oriental swords.

The very first illustration shows the king sitting on the throne and surrounded by the local aristocracy. On his right side ( our left) are definitely European knights wearing typical European armour and carrying straight swords. Those are the European warriors serving him and coming from different Christian principalities including France: Louis I belonged to Angevine dynasty.

But on his left ( our right) are several swarthy, bearded and mustachioed individuals wearing long Oriental robes and carrying curved sabers. Those are the Cumans ( Quipchaks) who came to Hungary after 1237, escaping the onslaught of the Batu Khan’s Golden Horde on Eastern and Central Europe.

The army of Batu Khan reached the Adriatic Coast of the Balkans and their swords entered the local armamentariums.
Here are two frescoes from Serbian monasteries built in 1346 and 1347: St. Nikita in Gracanica monastery and St Mikhael in St. Demetrius monastery. Both are armed with typical nomadic sabers.

Sabres
Yes, the Chronicon Pictum or Képes Krónika is an important source for East/Central European history. As you mentioned, in it, are depicted steppe people elements (Cumans) in this part of Europe. Interestingly the pommels have peen-blocks.

Here are the pages with sabres depicted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroni...trónon_(2).jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K...B3maiakkal.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...C3%B3nika).jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K...,_%C3%96rs.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bela_menekul.jpg

The sabres depicted match this type in my opinion http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...1&postcount=10. Except the one shown in the second link, which is a typical steppe sabre.
Although this discussion would be more relevant in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28312

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Vlachs
Chronicon Pictum is also important for those interested for those in the history of Wallachia as the establishment is closelly linked to the battle of Posada in 1330.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C...dai_csata1.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K...9t_fogadja.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V...cle_Posada.jpg

Moldovan at the wedding procession of Sigismund III Vasa into Cracow in 1605. Depiction on the Stockholm Roll/Rolka sztokholmska/Polska rullen.
https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/543809723761525502/
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...en_-_81237.jpg

Personal notes:
1 - the clothes he is wearing are very close to those of Michael the Brave (1558-1601) and Ieremia Movilă (1555-1606). Especially the cap called gugiuman made of sable fur (Martes zibellina), with a white bottom (for the voivode/ruler and his sons) or with a red bottom (for the boyars). The hat pin (called a surguci) also matches Mihai and Ieremia's style. In fact, Movilă was a close ally of Poland-Lithuania at that time, and a rival of Michael the Brave. He is also wearing the same yellow boots that Movilă has, and that were so popular in the region. Vasile Lupu (1595-1661) ruler of Moldova and his son Ioan Lupu also have similar hats.
2 - he seems to have a koncerz/hegyestőr and a sabre, same as others depicted.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...miah_Grave.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/M...aiViteazul.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/M...ul_wiki_en.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...asile_Lupu.jpg
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi%C8%...23FBEC2C19.jpg

Addendum: his (and others') koncerz/hegyestőr looks similar to these from the Magyar National Museum in Budapest:
http://www.museumap.hu/record/-/reco...ted-bib5837785
http://gepeskonyv.btk.elte.hu/adatok...sp_id=502.html
https://sites.google.com/site/hagyom...r-magyarorszag

Very interesting, thank you!

You're welcome. By the way, do you have any additional info for this sabre? Maybe some additional photos to share? It's a really nice specimen.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=15

I can make some shots in a couple of days.
And if you're inetested here are some additional pics of the previous sword (after it was cleaned):
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25450

Thank you Evgeny, it's an interesting specimen, to say the least. I don't know much about these two-handed sabres, but I do have a couple of observations:

- the square-ish pommel and cross-guard are fairly similar to ones found on swords uncovered in the Carpatian basin and to the East of it (Moldova). As you mentioned this sabre was found near Moldova (see here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...7&postcount=70).
- The sabres in the Chronicon Pictum are mostly depicted in the hands of magyars (conquest period) and cumans, so mostly E-Europe steppe nomads.
Remember that Moldova (pre-Mongol) invasion was politically part of Cumania. And the medieval state of Moldova started out in 1343 as a defence borderland (Marcă de graniţă/Grenzemark /Határőrgrófság) for the Kingdom of Hungary against the Tatars. The same Kingdom of Hungary depicted in the Chronicon Pictum, probaly done in the ~1370s (see Ariel's explanation here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=94).
- The blade shape is interesting, the single fuller, the yelman, it could be considered just a variation on 15th century S-guard two-handed, Hungarian sabres. But I would argue that this could be a transitional form from the steppe sabre to the 14th century sabre. The single fuller isn't unheard of by that time, see the example here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...16-12-29_p.jpg)

So one hypothesis is that it could be a 1300s-1400s sabre from Hungary/Transylvania/Moldova asociated with the Cumans in these regions.

Ah yes, and here's a steppe nomad sabre with a single wide fuller and a yelman. So we can say that these features existed by that time.

Dear Teisani, thank you for very interesting hypothesis. So you think this sword is earlier than 15th century S-guard Hungarian sabres?

My guess is that it could be from the mid 1300s to the mid 1400s, an archaic form of the more familiar S-quillon sabres. But this is just a guess based solely on my above stated arguments. Do you have any idea if it was found north or south of Moldova?

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By the way, do you know where this one was found? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=15

Oh, and a possible period depiction of a S-quilloned sabre can be found here:
https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File...Capistrano.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...t%C3%A1ban.jpg
Siege of Belgrade 1456, depiction from 1480-85. The Ottomans are depicted as having S-quilloned sabres, though single-handed and without pommels.

Very interesting and not one I have seen before. Thanks for sharing so much in this excellent thread!

There are a number of artworks from around 1470-1510, from Italy, Austria, Hungary, and Slovakia, that show very well this distinctive Southeastern-European style of hilt, mostly on straight-bladed swords. The Austrian image database is a good resource for this:

https://www.imareal.sbg.ac.at/en/realonline/

Glad you liked it, I found it by chance recently. If you have any other works of art in mind, please feel free to post them. Even though the topic is "Wallachian swords of the 15th century ", I believe it is important to understand what was available in geographically close regions, and even in other time periods to give context, especially considering the scarcity of period sources of on the actual topic. My only request is to post the source site for the picture/info if possible.

Ok, back to Wallachian stuff. Here are some more pictures of the 2 pages (143 and 146) depicting the Battle of Posada 1330 from the Chronicon Pictum. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Battle1330.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...dai_csata1.JPG
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...dai_csata2.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V...cle_Posada.jpg


Chronicon Pictum (Page 144) - King Charles receives the envoy of Voivode Basarab In the initial "N", on the left, the envoy hands over a letter from Voivode Basarab to King Charles Robert. The King is in armor, the envoy has a long hair, is in a long Cuman dress, with a helmet in his left hand.

Basarab sent honorable messengers to the king and said: "You have toiled, my lord the king, with gathering an army: for that I give seven thousand silver marks as compensation for your toil. I also hand over Szörény to you in peace with all the ingredients, which you captured by force; moreover, I will faithfully pay the tribute every year, which I owe to your crown, and I will also send one of my sons to your court, at your expense, with my money and expenses: just return in peace and do not put your men in danger, because if you come further, you will not avoid danger." Upon hearing this, the king with an arrogant mind said these words to the messengers: "Tell Basarab: he is the shepherd of my sheep; I will pull him out of his hiding place by his beard!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroni...ét_fogadja.jpg

And one from Johannes de Thurocz's Chronica Hungarorum (1488)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B...ungarorum).jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...a_Thuroczy.jpg

Notes:
1 - according to wiki, the Chronicon Pictum was written between 15th of May 1358 and 1370-73. So the last pages, those depicting the Battle of Posada, where made during the early 1370s.
2 - most Wallachians are depicted as wearing sheep skin hats and coats, and having long dark hair. Othersare very Cuman-like in appearance, might actually be Cumans (like Basarab's envoy). Even the sheep-skin wearing individuals are using recurve bows.

I just noticed that almost all the swords and sabres depicted in the Chronicon Pictum have long handles, which makes me wonder just how accurate are these representations. Surely not all swords of that period where two-handed.

Swords of Stephen III the Great/Ştefan al III-lea cel Mare of Moldova (born 1438-39, ruled 1457–1504).

A nice article by Radu Oltean can be found here: http://art-historia.blogspot.com/202...-istanbul.html

And few more photos:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...4&postcount=16
http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.30137.html
https://sword-site.com/thread/769/sw...t-iii-moldavia

Since I don't know much about medieval European swords, would like to ask fellow forum members, what is your opinion on the Moldovan swords at the Topkapi palace(posted earlier), what period, what type, what manufacture...?

Tomb effigy of Wallachian boyar, Mateiaș Postelnicul died at the age of 17 in 1652 - son of Udriște Năsturel and Maria Corbeanu, adopted by his uncle, Wallachian ruler Matei Basarab (born circa 1588, ruled 1632 - 1654). It formerly resided at the Târgovişte monastery, Wallachia. It represents a prince in the characteristic costume of the 17th century, dressed in a caftan finished with buttons up to the chest and fastened in the middle with a belt, and above a cloak with a collar, turned over the shoulders and with sleeves. The details of the ornamentation on the chest of the caftan are similar to the golden thread coils found in the tomb itself in 1965. Things aren't certain, but the theory goes that it was commisioned in 1652 by Matei Basarab, from a master named Elias Nicolai that was from Sibiu, Transylvania. Nicolai also likely made the voivode's effigy (1654) and that of his wife's (1653). Basarab's first effigy was destroyed in the seimen & dorobanţ revolt in 1655. A second effigy was commisioned by voivode Constantin Şerban from the same Elias Nicolai (according to documents in Cluj, Transylvania). Howevert it was only installed only in 1658 at Arnota monastery, Wallachia, when Basarab's body was moved there from Târgovişte by Mihnea III Radu (according to Matei basarab's wishes).
http://clasate.cimec.ro/Detaliu.asp?...0febf1a2c2775e
http://galeriaportretelor.ro/item/matei-basarab-9/
http://galeriaportretelor.ro/item/matei-basarab/

The primay source for this info is "Memory from the past, display for the future - early modern funeral monuments from the Transylvanian principality by Dóra Mérai (2017)". An excelent resource!

Notes: although very deteriorated, one can see the sabre at his side, and his typical for the time clothing.

I can comment on this, and share more of the information I have collected on the interesting features that appear in late medieval swords from Southeastern Europe... maybe in a new thread to focus on this earlier time period, but with wider geographic view?

Sounds great!

New thread continues here.

Two more swords from the "Muzeul Militar Naţional - Regele Ferdinand I" Bucharest.

Ștefan (born 1584 - died 1602), Petru Șchiopul/Peter the Lame's son, mother Irina Botezata. He became Voivode/Prince of Moldova in february 1590 at the age of 5! Since he was so young, he ruled together with his father. He and his father stepped down from the throne in 1591. He then followed his parents into exile (Bozen, Tyrol), and after their deaths (Irina in 1592 and Peter the Lame in 1594) the Archduke of Tyrol appointed Ferdinand von Kuhbach as their guardian. Although his relatives tried to bring him back to Moldova, Emperor Rudolf II did not agree. Stefan was enrolled at the Jesuit College in Innsbruck, adopting the Catholic religion. Proclaimed of age in September 1600, he died two years later, most likely of tuberculosis. The portret resided at Ambras castle, Tyrol, Austria. It was lost however. http://galeriaportretelor.ro/item/st...etru-schiopul/

Note: Kid's got a nice sabre, typical Ottoman hilt.

Two more portraits of Vasile Lupu of Moldova. One, posted previously, but managed to find a better one.