Gee, it's the same site that I've provided. :D :p

Vogan, the English version of the said book will be out, sooner or later. ;)

Guilty of Redundancy
 

:o :o OOPS! :D :D

I just asked the same question about this book on the magazine thread (since Alan mentions it there). Do you speak with any authority on this or are you just assuming? If it will be "later" that's fine, but if it never happens and then the original Indo book goes out of print i will be screwed paying higher prices for a hard to find book. Oh well... :shrug:

And does anyone know what the dimensions of the new Invincible will be. I am seriously hoping for a much larger book than the last. Great photos, but so damn small.

Shahrial, I've had the opportunity to read the MT Arifin book now.

My mother always told me never to say anything if I could not say something nice.

I would prefer to reserve comment on KERIS JAWA, by M T Arifin.

I'd say that Invincible Keris#2 is a "must have". I will be very interested in the level of accuracy shown in this second edition.

Is this "Invincible keris 2" book referring most to Indonesian keris or Malay?From the picture outside you can tell that Malay keris are also inside,but what about Indonesian?Thanx

These two pages from Arifin book could be some interest (wood prizes in Solo market)

Actually, I thought that this was one of the least interesting or valuable parts of this book.

These prices are only relevant to the person they were given to, on the day they were given.

Alan, it is the only thing i have understood in the book.
About photos an indonesian friend when gave me the book said that the three keris on the cover are all new... but i don't know how and why he said that

But, that is an Indonesian (Minang) keris on the cover. :) Sumatra is as much a part of Indonesia as Java, Bali and Sulawesi. :)

My thoughts exactly! :)

Marco, I do not have the book in front of me,but my memory of it is that yes, they are recent keris.

Don't worry too much about not understanding anything that is in that book.

Yes, I agree... all 3 blades are new. 2 Naga Sasra and 1 Naga Siluman. (You could see it from the pics I posted). ;)

Marco, you have Haryono's Keris Jawa: Antara Mistik dan Nalar and coupled with Bambang's Ensiklopedi Keris, that should give you loads of Javanese keris info. Imo, regarding the pricing info, it fluctuates and differs in different markets, so it's not really useful. :) :D

hai...,i'm absolutely agree that is new kris, with Kanjeng Kyai bla bla bla.... good for intermezo

Translation of Budaya Nasional
 

Hello everybody,

I'm a new member. My name is Patrick de Vries from Holland. I have an antique shop specialised in antiques from Indonesia.

{ commercial links edited by Rick}

My quesion is about books: I have many books about keris and other Indonesian weapons, but most are written in bhs Indonesia. I know a bit bhs, but it is very hard to read and understand it.
I know there is a translation of the Budaya Nasional. Does anybode know where I can get it (or borrow a copy?).
Any other good suggestions for book?

Best regards and thanks,

Patrick

Hi Patrick, welcome to the Warung . :)
I edited out your links because they seem to be of a commercial nature.
We all would love to see your private collection; any pieces offered for sale must be posted in the Swap forum.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Again,
Welcome.

Rick

G'day Patrick,

There was a translation done of "Budaya Nasional".

My understanding is that it was commissioned by Hardiono of Surabaya. Pak Hardiono was an important dealer of some years ago, and he has now passed away.

Back in the 1990's I noted a small number of these translations available through a dealer in Solo.

I have not seen a translation for sale for many years.

In any case, it was a very, very bad translation, and in my opinion it was so difficult to understand that it could in itself cause misunderstandings.

I do have a copy of it somewhere. If you care to email me privately we may be able to work something out.

A new indonesian book on Yogya sarong

Interesting,

What are its contents? Where can I get a copy? :)

I received an email from the author and together the photo of the book. I dont know if the book is ready or not, but next week I'ld know some more about the book.

Hi all,
just info:
as i know the book is not ready now, i hope ready in this year :shrug:

I have recieved Karsten Sejr Jensen's new "book". It's a CD about Keris from all over the archipelago.
As I am a bit biased I leave it up to other forumites to review if it's the ultimate book of what has so far been published... ;)
More info is published here

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4926

Michael

I recieved the Krisdisk. My opinion... good handy reference to carry around. Ideal for any keris collector. Perhaps, I shouldn't comment. I might be bias as well... let us see what others have to say. :)

VVV and Sharial,
I am courious as to why you both feel you are biased regarding the issue of this CD?
Of cause no explanation is required from either of you, I was just wondering why the bias :confused:

Both of us has some of our keris on the disk.
And I have tried to help Karsten with comments and feedback while it still was in production.

Michael

hmmm...seems like an added reason to pick it up then. ;) :)

Can we use Paypal ? :)

Hi Rick,

For ordering info please go to

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4926

Michael

Thanks Michael ... :)

The Invincible krises 2
 

Marcokeris informed us sometime in April that Mrs Ghinringhelli had produced a second book on keris. Alam Shah (I think) gave us the address of the Publisher and I immediately ordered one copy that was supposed to be published in November only.
Well, good news, I receive my copy today !
First impressions : Great book, with good illustrations in A4 format.
A few pages of explanations about who is a keris, what is a keris, what a keris can do, how is a keris forged and then starts the collection of Mr.Ghiringhelli with a photo and a page of explanations per weapon. It even shows a few keris for woman "keris wanita" as Mrs. Ghinringhelli calls them.
At the end an interesting bibliography.
I am very happy with this book that I have not yet read but glanced upon only.
Hope that a few of you have received it or will receive it and will comment.
Michel

Dear Michel,
Two weeks ago in Jogjakarta (Indonesia), Marco gave me the original small book of "Kris Gli Invincibili" (The Invincible Krises). Amazing! I really enjoy to see the pictures of Vanna and Mario Ghiringhelli's collection. The krises and sheaths are in good classic style of Nusantara kerises (not only from Java). Good handles collection too. (Thank you, Marco). I hope someday, to get the second edition that I think it will be as amazing as the first book. Bravo...!

Ganjawulung

Yes Michel the new Mrs. Ghiringhelli book is really good . The photos are excellent and the quality of paper also (...on pag. 116-117 i saw the best keris panjang of my life.....astounding.....breathless..... :eek: )

In Yogya another two new book about keris
In Yogya another two new book about keris now:

The author told me the new book will be finished about the end of the year. I saw some pages and really the quality of photos and researches would be excellent (i hope the text will be in bahasa but also in english language).
I put here a picture of the new book

Books on Keris
 

Hi Marco,
You seem to have very special connections with the world of book Edition. You knew before hand the publication of Mrs Ghiringhelli book, you announce now this new book in Jogjakarta. In any case thank you for informing us, this type of information is very useful for collectors.
Yes the keris panjang of page 116/117 in Mrs Ghiringhelli's book is impressive. It is the first, that I have seen, that carries these perforations in the blade and it appears to me as specially long with 62 cm vs 55 and 50 cm for my 3 keris panjang. As in "Traditional weapons of Indonesian Archipelago", page 64, van Zonneveld, mentions lengths of 73cm, 67cm and 57.5cm I am wondering if my keris panjang are not specially short ! ?
What I like in Mrs Ghiringhelli's book is that it shows keris that are not of kratong quality, the kind of weapons you can dream of but have not the means to obtain. They are all interesting, with something special, but they are not out of reach of a normal collector. This book presents, with good photos, a collection of weapons that many of us could have.
Thank you Marco for letting us know about this book.
Regards
Michel

Short review
 

I have now read The Invincible Krises 2 by Mrs Vanna Ghiringhelli.
What's interesting with this book, like Michel also mentioned, is that most of the Keris depicted aren't flamboyant showpieces.
Instead they have been selected for their interesting features that Mrs Ghiringhelli comments.
Compared to Karsten's Krisdisk, which is more of an in depth encyclopedic work, this is like having a conversation with the authour on her Keris.
I especially appreciate the pages about female Keris and also the cultural, as well as mystical and symbolic, explanations of some of the features.
Even if some of her ideas could be questioned she also gives, most of the time, good references for her views.
On the downside I would have appreciated more than one picture of each Keris.
Also I miss explanations on why she doesn't follow traditional regional classifications of some of the hilts and Keris (mostly on Sumatran Keris)
But overall I am very happy that I bought this book and I have learned a lot from it as well as got some new ideas for further studies.

Michael

Another new book about keris is "the magickal kris".
The book is about combat by keris written by an expert in fighting: Mr.Ger Giesen.
In the book there is a chapter (part 3 : the kris and his meaning in javanese culture) written by dutch anthropologist dr. Hilga Prins (work's author: kris and kosmos :confused: ). Ms. Prins' written is very interesting and well can joint to latest Ms. Ghiringhelli's work.
The book is cheap and is easy to order to "van Stockum Boekverkopers"

Thanks Marco!!!

Michael