What he said!! :D

The Hilt
 

Kakatua
You'd cry even more if you knew what I paid for this 'European Sword' . :D
Ahh , the good old days of Ebay . ;)

Is there a similar pattern among keris, my first thought are stars...

(no link needed - didn't saw the pic of the hilt on page 2)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

This keris pamor is kind of in the ballpark; I've forgotten the name of this pamor much to my shame . :o

What I think we're looking at on the Moro piece are three separate twisted cores welded together as they merge past the sorsoran and run down to the tip. Then a layer welded edge has been applied to the outside of the core.

one of my twist cores......

Laban Tayo,

Awesome, that almost looks like a snake crawling across my screen...bee you tee full!!!

What a beautiful swords!!!! I need one!!!! :D :D

Yes, the pattern looks like a 3 twist core, and it is very demanding to get it right. Looks like twisted cores are coming out of the woodwork. I like it. There may be one with my name on it somewhere! :D Still, they seem scarce enough to be special. There are many examples of Datu class weapons that are for the most part plain blades with superior handles. So I still think there is something special about the Moro's who owned these twisted cores. Does anybody have sources that may shed some light on this? Bill, what about Dave and Lonna?

Rick,
I have a Moro Kris with this same pamor in its center panel. I posted pics on the old forum of the kris. Hopefully the Indo collectors can name the pamor for us.

Is that pamor lar gangsir? :)

Okay , I went through my little book Pamor Eksotik Tosan Aji; the closest picture to the pamor shown on the 'keris' seems to be a variation on Unthuk Banyu "Water Bubbles" ; here is a more traditional representation of Unthuk Banyu.

According to Tammens who calls it 'foam bubbles' .
Its qualities are positive ; it is considered rare but it is not select and can be owned by anyone .

I await correction . ;) :)
Hi Dave, I see you posted while I was doing the same . :D
Here is Pamor Eksotik's illustration of Lar Gangsir (not too helpful)

I hope Alan doesn't mind that i borrowed this image from his site. :o
An example of Lar Gangsir:

Hmmm ,
Sure looks the same as my first keris pamor .
I wonder why the Jawa book differs so much ? :confused:

Hey, George "Grumpy", I know you are lurking here. Why don't you post? Explain how the kris you own was made. By the way, I bought the brother of the one you own from a forum member.

????? :confused:

Bill, There is a smith in my area that has a kris like this one. He does pattern welding & mosaic damascus. Reads the forum, but doesn't post.

Rick, yours is pamor Untuk Banyu.
(Ref: Ensiklopedi Keris, Reference section, Pg:554).

Most of the twisted core are pamor Lar Gangsir. ;) This pamor type have a few variations.

Hmmm... well Bill, if he could create something like this, I'm sure many would be interested (including myself). ;) (I hope you're reading this... Mr smith reader who does not post). :D

If I am not mistaken, there is a parallel in wootz in India (according to some folks like Jens) where the good wootz were only afforded by the higher elite and the pattern welded were reserved for those a little below that.

By the way, here is one of my twist cores only on a Bagobo piece in this thread (need to scroll down to see the faint twistcore:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...obo+twist+core

Could this have belonged to a Bagobo datu? :confused: