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DavidFriedman 16th October 2023 03:35 AM

Thanks Jim,
I have ordered the larger disk pommel Tulwar, but it isn’t on hand yet, awaiting customs paperwork etc.

Thanks you for your kind words, and your thoughts on the larger tulwars blade.

The photos of the tiger hilt Tulwar weren’t super clear on some areas. The tiger hilt saber has the same type of hollowed spine (for the first part of the blades length, just narrower but in the same ratio to the spine as the disk pommel tulwar), also has a razor sharp yelman, albeit non protruding from the line of the blades spine.

Could the larger Tulwar with disk pommel possibly have been made in the Caucasus or Central Asia for a North Indian client? One who would request the Indian ricasso.

Thanks.

Jim McDougall 16th October 2023 05:55 AM

David,
It is mostly about trade blades, not clientele. Caucasian blades were popular in Arabia, and Arab regions which of course led into regions in India. It would be difficult to pinpoint the networks and entrepots in which these blades would reach the locations where these swords were mounted.

There were locations in India where blades were produced, and hilts were produced in other locations, with many in Rajasthan. Often these hilts were sent to other locations where locally favored decoration was applied, and blades mounted.

The study of Indian arms is complex, and as always there are many exceptions and variations, but in my experience most of these multi fuller blades seem to be either European or from Caucasian exports which often ended up going into Arab trade networks. In the 19th century Persian trade blades began to show up in these blade commodities. such as the noted 'Assad Adullah' examples .
Again, always exceptions, and the hollowed spine on the Mysori saber is intriguing.

DavidFriedman 17th October 2023 03:32 AM

Thanks Jim!
Later I’ll upload some closer pics of the Mysore hilt blade channeling on the spine etc.

kronckew 17th October 2023 04:07 PM

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qalso have a pulwar with 3 sets of eyelash markings along the right side of tye unfullered blade:

Jim McDougall 17th October 2023 07:24 PM

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Thanks David, like to see pics of that spine.
I found a plate of blade cross sections of Polish and in degree Hungarian swords in "Cecia Prazdziwa Szabla" , Wojciech Zablocki, Warsaw, 1989, p.62,
which shows several blade sections with 'indented spine', probably 18th into early 19th c.

Polish swords (and Hungarian) had blades made in Lvov (once Poland-Lithuania, then Austria now western Ukraine) typically Armenian makers; Graz and several other cities in Styria (SE Austria).
Lvov had prevalent trade contact with Venice, and all of these were in the complex geopolitical network of the Austro-Hungarian (Holy Roman Empire).

The well known 'sickle' marks traveled through all these networks becoming a symbolic device subtly denoting quality and were widely copied and used in various configurations and applications.
The markings became notably used in Styrian blades, and it is believed that through Genoan trade networks in the Black Sea they entered the Caucasian sphere, becoming known as 'gurda' (=good blade).

Wayne, outstanding paluoar!!! and to see these 'sickles' placed multiply as well as 'strategically' as often seen on Indian blades where the three dots (trimurti) are often placed at key locations on blades.

Pics attached of a Khevsur 'pranguli' (Caucasian Georgia late 19th c) with blade believed of Ataghi aul (Chechnya) using the 'gurda' in linear motif, reflectjng the potential talismanic imbuement of multiples. I have seen similar linear application of these 'sickles' on some Indian swords.

DavidFriedman 18th October 2023 03:32 AM

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Wow, that’s a lot of eyelash/gurda marks on the Georgian/ Chechnyan saber. Beautiful blade.

Wayne’s Pulwar is very nice too.

Here are some more close up pics of the blade. The indented spine only extends 7 inches, up to the point (I don’t know the name of this feature) where the spine of the blade dips inwards about 1/16 of an inch. Where the blade maintains a broadness of 1 inch until the yelman.

The first 2 inches of the front of the blade (ricasso) is dull. Yelman is a bit over 9 inches.

A very light and nimble dancer.


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