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Ian 13th July 2018 07:31 AM

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Here are additional pictures of the knife that I mentioned in the previous post. The thickness of the blade is only 1/8 inch just in front of the guard, and this is much thinner than the usual sturdy knives from Apalit. The metal disk guard is also unusual for an Apalit knfe. The septagonal-faceted hilt and characteristic pommel are similar to the plainer versions seen on most Apalit hilts.

The maker's mark at forte appears to be an "E" struck over an "M."

From the level of decoration on this one I would say it was probably made for sale to a foreigner.

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Ian 13th July 2018 07:56 AM

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And here are some carabao heads and a profile of same for comparison. Some carabao have horns and others have had them removed or are juveniles.


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wildwolberine 2nd December 2023 06:45 PM

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I’m adding this recently acquired example to this older thread. It’s stamped APALIT like Ian’s example, with the number 53 on the other side. No scabbard. (Well, it came with a machete sheath from Belize that coincidentally fits the blade 😂) Is there agreement that this is a butcher knife, and is there a local name?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=Butcher+knife

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=226178

Ian 5th December 2023 01:57 AM

The identification of a butcher's knife is not firmly established. It was a comment to me by someone who knows little about knives but lives in the province next to Pampanga. I would not take it as a definitive ID. I have not heard a specific name for this style.

Gavin Nugent 5th December 2023 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wildwolberine (Post 286560)
Is there agreement that this is a butcher knife, and is there a local name?

I'm intrigued how far and wide Spanish colonial influences spread across various occupied countries and form followed, how it followed along timelines I am unsure though.

This one you have reminds me of a Corvo sub type from Chile.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...69&postcount=1

Is there substantial knowledge about this type from Chile and what it was used for? It may offer insights if function follows form.

Ian 5th December 2023 05:23 AM

Hi Gavin,


Interesting thoughts. The Philippines had strong ties to Mexico. Several Spanish governors of the Philippines came from Mexico. I have not heard of ties to Spanish colonial interests in South America, but it is possible.

Gavin Nugent 5th December 2023 06:32 AM

There is some interesting history at face value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile%...ines_relations


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