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Kubur 2nd June 2015 10:08 AM

Yep! It's what I said since the beginning...
When I was in Pakistan "few" years ago, the security guard in front of our hotel had...a blunderbuss!!
:) It's not a joke!

spiral 2nd June 2015 08:45 PM

Very interesting guys,I have evidence of ethnic Brown bess use in the last 10 years. {During Nepals civil war.} But is that relevant?

The point {I thought} was rather more about monster jezail fort guns in use? As per the gun featured? I enjoy thread veer onto other subjects, {AKA any flintlock or black powder using guns, elsewhere...} But perhaps such veers should be signposted or at least an acknowledgment that random statements made about 20th century use are not neccasarily relevant to Afghani/Indian. Pakistani oe Baluchistan wall guns... {Not to even mention the Ottaman empire! :D }

spiral

kahnjar1 2nd June 2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spiral
Very interesting guys,I have evidence of ethnic Brown bess use in the last 10 years. {During Nepals civil war.} But is that relevant?

The point {I thought} was rather more about monster jezail fort guns in use? As per the gun featured? I enjoy thread veer onto other subjects, {AKA any flintlock or black powder using guns, elsewhere...} But perhaps such veers should be signposted or at least an acknowledgment that random statements made about 20th century use are not neccasarily relevant to Afghani/Indian. Pakistani oe Baluchistan wall guns... {Not to even mention the Ottaman empire! :D }

spiral

There was no intention to "veer" the thread on the Sindi, simply to point out that the use of this TYPE of weapon is/has been used up to the modern day......
Stu

spiral 2nd June 2015 10:12 PM

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No problem Stu, I like thread veer!

But I would never argue flintlocks weren't in use recently....

Just wall guns... ;)

Not very good pics, I have better somewhere, but here some Maoist rebel militia in Nepal about 2004, with Flintlocks.

They run the country now.... :shrug: {probably not the featured girls though...}

spiral

kahnjar1 3rd June 2015 12:25 AM

Getting back to wall guns..........I would rather doubt their use from WALLS in this day of laser guided bombs! Not for one moment suggesting that they are not being used, but just not to defend a walled village/town.

RAJESH......you need to post a pic of the 6ft 5" Torador you have in your collection....or open a new thread featuring it.

A well known U S auction site had a 7ft Torador listed recently......

Stu

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 4th June 2015 02:21 PM

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Toradors come in all sorts of quality; This one from http://www.vam.ac.uk/users/node/17487 (The Victoria and Albert Museum)

Kubur 4th June 2015 02:42 PM

It's probably not an original, look the wood work is brand new...
:) :) :) :)

spiral 4th June 2015 07:24 PM

That's is a beuty!

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Originally Posted by Kubur
It's probably not an original, look the wood work is brand new...
:) :) :) :)

Some newbie collectors, who are also not trained cabinet makers would think that! :D

I love it when people try for sarcasm but miss the irony of there own statements! ;) :eek: :D

spiral

Rick 4th June 2015 07:47 PM

I love it when we're all nice to each other ........ ahem . :rolleyes:

spiral 4th June 2015 08:38 PM

Me to Rick... some comments & the attitude that goes with them deserve a concise reply though... :shrug:

Kubur 4th June 2015 08:53 PM

To Rick, have a look at the thread since the beginning, you will see some immature behaviour. It's the reason why I prefer to laugh and to respect the rules of the forum! :)

BANDOOK 4th June 2015 09:00 PM

THATS GOOD OBSERVATION KUBUR AND RICK,I FEEL THE SAME,ANY WAYS EVERY ONE IS DIFFERENT,CHEERS

spiral 4th June 2015 09:35 PM

It is a shame that people who can not recognise recent low quality work... {just look at those brass edges!.} Get so upset at those who point out that it is.{ After ther declartation & wows! about the mostly brand new piece of course...}


Never mind though, at least there are many knowledge collectors on this forum...

spiral ;)

rickystl 6th June 2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1
This however confirms that such old guns are still used to this day. A You Tube link from one of Michael Palins travel docos from the BBC. Not only a modern day use of a flintlock, but also using home made powder. Rather him than me I think!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua131xJiMKU

Hi Stu.
LOL! Great vidio!!! You only stand next to a flintlock pan going off - once. And you remember. LOL I've probably been "splattered" two dozen times over the years. LOL :D :o
It's remarkable how late flintlocks continue to be used. Notice he had trouble getting the gun to go off. The home made black powder was probably very crude, which caused him to over-charge the pan. Or maybe a dull flint. Which would add to my theory of why Ethno flintlocks in all forms had such extra strong mainsprings compared to their European counterparts. The flint in that region of the world was simply not the quality of the Black English flint, or the French Amber flint.
Rick.

BANDOOK 8th June 2015 10:46 PM

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CAMEL GUARD JAIPUR,INDIA

Kubur 8th June 2015 11:10 PM

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Ok let me add few more Qajar and Mughal

BANDOOK 9th June 2015 12:25 AM

NICE PICTURES HAVE ADDED THEM TO MY ALBUM,CHEERS

ariel 9th June 2015 02:33 AM

No matter what, you are ready to shoot yourself some elephants:-)

BANDOOK 13th December 2016 10:42 AM

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A SIMILAR BARREL LIKE THE ONE I HAVE ,THIS SOLD ON INVALUABLE,PICTURES I HAVE ADDED,SAME TIGER TYPE /KIND TIPPUS FAV.THE ONE HERE IS ON A TORADOR.
WHAT DO U THINK??????


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