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maxbliss888 10th June 2015 05:52 AM

Coteng
 
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Close up

maxbliss888 10th June 2015 01:18 PM

Co teng blade
 
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Better photo I hope

Rick 10th June 2015 02:30 PM

Much better .
Thanks !

maxbliss888 12th June 2015 04:06 PM

Coteng
 
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Met a fellow collector of Coteng from Thailand..

maxbliss888 12th June 2015 04:09 PM

Coteng
 
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Closer view

maxbliss888 12th June 2015 04:12 PM

Coteng
 
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Coteng

maxbliss888 12th June 2015 04:18 PM

Coteng
 
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Hope you like the photo showing different Coteng in different length

maxbliss888 12th June 2015 04:20 PM

Different coteng
 
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Showing Coteng

maxbliss888 13th June 2015 05:44 AM

Coteng
 
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I know many collectors here prefers to have strong blades and strong Keris.

Please bear with me. It seems that there are differences in the Coteng carvings as seen below. I was told that besides Wooden hilt, silver holt, there is also Coteng hilt made in Brass. Anyone seen Coteng hilt using other materials?

maxbliss888 13th June 2015 05:53 AM

Coteng Hilt
 
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i have spoken with fellow Thai Keris collectors and they have confirmed that vintage Coteng comes mainly from Yala, Songkla or Narathiwat. However, I was told that one would not be able to see them so often in these cities now.

Another question that I have asked is with regards to why most Coteng is relatively shorter compare with the Longer Tajong and it seems is the result of the preferences from the region as those who prefer Coteng prefer it to be discreet. I have asked further why the conditions of the Coteng is not as well kept as the other Keris and the answer is that these Cotengs were used during their days and were not merely display Keris...

Just wanted to share what I have heard...

BluErf 13th June 2015 06:20 AM

Good authentic cotengs! Glad you went to the right dealer and bought the right stuff. Well done!

The age of these kerises are very difficult to ascertain. They are probably pre-20th century, but even then, hard to be sure.

I have the idea that silver covered coteng are generally younger than the old plainer wooden ones. Tajongs and cotengs are related, and at some point shared a common ancestor. However, they evolved along their own paths and became distinct subforms. Hence, nit all cotengs are older than every tajong you see.

In terms of upper limits on age, the earliest coteng/tajong specimens found are probably around 2-300yrs old. So the proto-coteng probably came to the north Malay peninsula region around 16th-17th century. That's just theory though.

maxbliss888 13th June 2015 12:42 PM

Coteng
 
The Tajong are also getting harder to find here in Thailand as many have restored new handles.

Have you travelled to Trengganu? Are there many antique Tajong or Coteng there?

BluErf 13th June 2015 03:23 PM

Good ones are mostly in private collections. Mediocre ones for sale can still be found, but even then, they are getting harder to get and expensive.

maxbliss888 16th June 2015 02:16 AM

Coteng to share
 
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Another Coteng to share..

maxbliss888 16th June 2015 03:08 AM

Coteng variations
 
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There are many variations of Coteng. This example of Coteng has a sharper beak compare to the earlier..

rasdan 16th June 2015 07:35 AM

Does anybody know the purpose of keris coteng?

Everyday weapon use, court use, wedding keris or pusaka?

maxbliss888 16th June 2015 04:20 PM

Coteng
 
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ı ʂ℘ơƙɛ ῳıɬɧ ą ʄɛῳ ƈơƖƖɛƈɬơཞs from Thailand, they have confirmed that these Coteng they found in the homes of the original owners were used by their ancestors...

maxbliss888 16th June 2015 04:30 PM

Coteng variations
 
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This Coteng has a straight blade..For those who prefers a stronger blade..

maxbliss888 17th June 2015 03:20 PM

Blade
 
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Day light photo

maxbliss888 18th June 2015 08:55 AM

Coteng with older wooden handle
 
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Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

Sajen 18th June 2015 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxbliss888
Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

Very nice Coteng handle, maybe a transition piece. :shrug:

Regards,
Detlef

maxbliss888 18th June 2015 05:08 PM

Coteng wooden
 
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A fellow collector's Coteng

kai 18th June 2015 08:51 PM

Hello Max,

Quote:

Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng
To me this looks like a nice, probably early hulu Tajong: while really small, it does have a ridge below its chin which clearly represents a beard despite being smaller than usual (as compared with typical hulu Tajong).

AFAIK, hulu Coteng never have a beard and the typical flat head. The hilt you show has a considerably heavier head (again like typical hulu Tajong).

What is the reasoning of your local contacts? (Assuming they favor the classification of this hilt as hulu Coteng?)

Regards,
Kai

kai 18th June 2015 08:55 PM

Hello Max,

Thanks for posting all these keris Coteng (from your and other collections) for future reference!

Quote:

For those who prefers a stronger blade..
Some really neat examples, congrats!

Regards,
Kai

maxbliss888 19th June 2015 02:07 AM

Coteng
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kai
Hello Max,


To me this looks like a nice, probably early hulu Tajong: while really small, it does have a ridge below its chin which clearly represents a beard despite being smaller than usual (as compared with typical hulu Tajong).

AFAIK, hulu Coteng never have a beard and the typical flat head. The hilt you show has a considerably heavier head (again like typical hulu Tajong).

What is the reasoning of your local contacts? (Assuming they favor the classification of this hilt as hulu Coteng?)

Regards,
Kai

Thanks for your input.

The classification between Tajong and Coteng is often blurred here in this instance, which is why I thought it will be good to share with fellow collectors here. I have thought that since Thailand is the place for Tajong and Coteng, there will be opportunities to see more of these, but it Its not the case...

Hope you all enjoy the photos...

maxbliss888 19th June 2015 04:26 AM

Coteng
 
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A few Coteng to share...

BluErf 28th June 2015 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxbliss888
Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

This would normally be classified as a tajong. The form is closer to a mid-late period tajong.

It has a boxier form, and a rudimentary beard, from the looks of the photo.

A "kampung"" quality hilt, which is still nice, but not exactly an archetype form to do deep analysis on.

maxbliss888 28th June 2015 10:56 AM

Coteng
 
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A friend's Coteng

maxbliss888 28th June 2015 10:58 AM

Coteng
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf
This would normally be classified as a tajong. The form is closer to a mid-late period tajong.

It has a boxier form, and a rudimentary beard, from the looks of the photo.

A "kampung"" quality hilt, which is still nice, but not exactly an archetype form to do deep analysis on.

Thanks..

First time I heard the term Kampung quality hilt... : ı thought all Keris are made in some kampong somewhere during the ancient days...

BluErf 28th June 2015 04:47 PM

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I meant good enough to wear around in the kampung, but not fine enough for the higher social strata. Sorry, this sounds politically incorrect, but that's the way art is. The centre of wealth and political power breeds high excellence in artistic expression which form the pinnacles of art that ordinary folks copy, emulate and aspire to own/consume. Like all facsimiles, definition is lost in the process.


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