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Sajen 4th February 2018 09:18 PM

Thank you Ian! I've found it by accident and some sleepless hours. ;)

Regards,
Detlef

kai 5th February 2018 05:42 PM

Congrats, Detlef! Certainly a rare find...

Sajen 5th February 2018 09:53 PM

Thank you Kai, it's the first time that I've seen one for selling!

ausjulius 7th February 2018 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
Are there documented blades known from the Badui people?

Regards,
Detlef

they have a bedog style of golok with a distinct handle shape.. these can be purchased online if you search golok badui or golok baduy they are quite short hand handles quite large.. there handles are all wood normally lack wood.. as they dont keep large animals

Sajen 8th February 2018 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ausjulius
they have a bedog style of golok with a distinct handle shape.. these can be purchased online if you search golok badui or golok baduy they are quite short hand handles quite large.. there handles are all wood normally lack wood.. as they dont keep large animals

Thank you Julius,
when we looked to the same sites I nearly would say that this as golok Badui described and offered knives are indeed just bedogs. :shrug:

I have learned later how they look (the Badui swords), the shown one was once for sale, this few pictures I keep.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 8th February 2018 08:31 PM

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And here a few new pictures from the Tengger "bolo".

naturalist 1st April 2022 04:54 PM

I have been asking around, then contacted a Baduy blacksmith from Kampung Batu Belah, Cijahe. He said, as far as he remembers they don't make any sword
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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 227161)
Thank you Julius,
when we looked to the same sites I nearly would say that this as golok Badui described and offered knives are indeed just bedogs. :shrug:

I have learned later how they look (the Badui swords), the shown one was once for sale, this few pictures I keep.

Regards,
Detlef


Sajen 1st April 2022 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by naturalist (Post 270846)
I have been asking around, then contacted a Baduy blacksmith from Kampung Batu Belah, Cijahe. He said, as far as he remembers they don't make any sword

The one in the picture was sold once from Arjan Hollestelle, he posted not here for a very long time but maybe he lurks here from time to time and can tell us from where he got this information once.;)

Regards,
Detlef

kai 1st April 2022 10:10 PM

Hello Detlef,

There is a fairly early report attributing this style of blades to the Badui:
Jacobs, J.K. 1891. De Badoej's. Int. Arch. Ethn., 4: 158-164
(The local name is given as gobang; the style doesn't seem to have a wide distribution though.)

Regards,
Kai

David 2nd April 2022 05:39 PM

Great research from Maurice and Ian. Thanks for bring this information to light.
So my understanding is that the Tenggerese are a Javanese sub-ethnic group that traces its history back to the Mojopahit. They apparently are one of the few groups that still adhere to Hindu/Buddhist ways in Jawa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenggerese_people

naturalist 5th May 2022 03:37 PM

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Made by Baduy whose father used to be an apprentice of well-known blacksmith in their tribe. He said to me that this is the only "gobang" that they know.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...1&d=1651757232

Differences with the common golok are on the notch, bolster, and the shape of the gado.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...1&d=1651757232

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Originally Posted by kai (Post 270851)
Hello Detlef,

There is a fairly early report attributing this style of blades to the Badui:
Jacobs, J.K. 1891. De Badoej's. Int. Arch. Ethn., 4: 158-164
(The local name is given as gobang; the style doesn't seem to have a wide distribution though.)

Regards,
Kai


naturalist 1st April 2024 04:44 AM

Lately, when i was looking more information on wedung. I found, "wedung sanibin". Sanibin is the name of empu (mastersmith), from the foothill of Semeru Mountain. Those two mountains (Bromo and Semeru) just around 70km in distance.
The shape of wedung sanibin's blade is similar to the Tengger's, with variations on sheath and hilt, however there are sheath and hilt that are similar to the Tengger's.
It said that the Lumajang (Lamajang in the past) where the wedung sanibin comes from initially inhabited by people from Madura. Definitely different from the cultures of Tengger.

gp 6th April 2024 09:52 AM

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amazing !
and so many Indonesian collectors here and still unknown ?

Time to pay a visit to the vulcanic Bromo area and Semeru national park,gents
;)!

gp 6th April 2024 09:53 AM

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Tengger greetings


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