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Maurice 26th January 2011 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Battara
I don't think the other "trunk" was made later, but with all the evidence shown so far I am convinced it is not Moro but Indonesian or Malay. I also agree that it is a shame that it is missing the scabbard.
Indeed a pity it isn't complete with the scabbard.
But the rule for me is: original scabbard/similar antique scabbard, or no scabbard.
I never missed the scabbard as display on a socket as it is now standing in our livingroom.
The twistcore blade is a better eyecatcher as a wooden scabbard....:D

Maurice

Amuk Murugul 26th January 2011 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman
Hello Amuk and thank you for your thoughts on the possible scabbard design. As far as the one that you saw in Kelantan were you lucky enough to have gotten pictures of it ? Again my thanks.

Robert
Hullo Robert,

Sorry. I tried looking for it, but it's hiding in my system somewhere. It'll probably pop up when I'm looking for something else. I obviously hadn't catalogued it as I hadn't deemed it a priority at the time (just a curio).
From what I recall (barring a 'senior moment':)), the damascene pattern was similar to a 'pamor bulu ayam' but not quite. It resembled more a double twist-core (more a series of compressed folding waves rather than a series of lines). I took a second look after I learnt that it wasn't twist-core. I couldn't examine it any closer, as it was 'out of reach'.

Best,

ThePepperSkull 25th January 2012 04:13 AM
Just bumping this up to see if anyone has any more info about this beautiful msytery piece.

henri 25th January 2012 10:43 AM
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What a mystery !!
This sundang seems to be very very similar to the one against my wall !?

The ivory hilt has been repaired and the twist core blade with same paterns...
Baca baca later addition
Hummm ...

Battara 25th January 2012 05:06 PM
Henri you have a nice Maguindanao piece there. Blade could use an etching to bring out that twistcore.

ThePepperSkull 25th January 2012 08:41 PM
Looks like this piece has found a new owner. I wonder if anyone from the boards here made the baca-baca or the crest repair. Looks good!

Still, I wonder about the origin of this piece. In particular the chasing and style of okir, does not strike me as work from Mindanao.

Battara 25th January 2012 11:29 PM
IT is more of an Indonesian or early Sulu flavor in the hilt metal work, doesn't it! The blade is without doubt Maranao.

Rick 25th January 2012 11:37 PM
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Could this blade be an offshoot of the Javanese Karno Tinanding dapur/form ?

ThePepperSkull 30th January 2012 06:56 AM
^ Most likely. I wonder if anyone on these boards has another example. Never seen a Moro piece with the double trunk.

Battara 3rd February 2012 04:02 AM
CORRECTION: I looked closer at the blade and it is not Moro at all but Indonesian. Need new glasses...............

Still as Charles says, a little detail changes a lot - nice Indonesian clamps.


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