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AvtoGaz 30th March 2024 08:18 PM

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Armenian warrior from Zeytun

gp 30th March 2024 10:49 PM

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Kalmuk from a most interesting geographic book from 1618

Bob A 30th March 2024 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 287295)
This picture looks like it shows Dayak warriors! :confused:

The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Sajen 30th March 2024 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob A (Post 289939)
The sword shouldered by the central figure appears to be of particularly rare form of belato, associated with Nias island.

Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick 31st March 2024 01:10 AM

The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed. :(

gp 31st March 2024 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 289940)
Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

FYI: I got this picture from an old Dutch book about the Dutch Indies on the Alifuru in the Moluccan islands...

so I think our friend Detlev might be correct, as the literature of those days might contain some errors but nevertheless it concerned the Dutch colonial region .

Some more pics on the Mena Muria'warriors from the Moluccans .
The last pic are Honitetu-Alifuru dancing the tjakalele Piru, Ceram 1912

Sajen 31st March 2024 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick (Post 289941)
The item link in the posts above shows other items at the bottom of that page for sale which is not allowed. :(

I don't know what happened, I just copied the picture, sorry!

Ah, now I understand, it was the link provided by Bob.

Bob A 1st April 2024 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen (Post 289940)
Hello Bob,

I don't think so, it's a mandau with the edge pointed to his throat. See also the handle in his hand. ;) Also the blowpipe, shields and costumes are Dayak.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you; I had noted the handle, but was overexcited by the blade shape.
You're of course correct about the accoutrements.

I should shave with Occam's razor.

gp 1st April 2024 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gp (Post 272916)
Lavian Riflemen, AKA "strelniki"

Part of the Russian Imperial Army, in WW I about 30.000 men around 1917
Some later joined the Bolshevik revolution and hence its army
The majority remained in Latvia to protect the country due to an internal strugle and instability,
caused by 3 governments fighting for control ( German, Sovjet and Latvian) untill Latvia's independance 1920/22

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=343

a couple more pics of these soldiers and their swords

gp 2nd April 2024 01:57 PM

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two sculptures by Jean Francois Theodore Gechter ; one an Ottoman warrior and the other a scene from the battle of Aboukir

Ian 3rd April 2024 08:03 AM

gp, do you know who the king on horseback is supposed to be?

gp 3rd April 2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 290012)
gp, do you know who the king on horseback is supposed to be?

Unfortunately not: the only title on this sculpture is “ Guerrier à Cheval “ , i.e. warrior on horse and made end 19th century. Sometimes “Ottoman” added to warrior on some of the literature describing this piece of art.

gp 8th April 2024 07:26 PM

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with reference to a resent topic, one of the early pics in "the West" of these fierce and feared warriors

"Janissaire, Chef-Arciere, Comandante, et Bourreau Turc - XV -XVI Siècle" acquaforte originale ca. 15,5x25,5 cm by Raphael Jacquemin (1821 - 1881)
in a book of maps published by Delatre Paris in 1870

gp 10th May 2024 10:11 PM

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some CDV's from the Ottoman Empire around 1860/70

gp 5th July 2024 11:19 PM

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a few postcards from the DACH region between 1885 - 1913 with halberds:

Bob A 19th July 2024 09:01 PM

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Period Photo of Armenian circa 1880

gp 26th July 2024 11:58 PM

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some nice Balkan pics, Macedonian, Greek and Albanian amongst them.
Between 1875 - 1905

Ian 27th July 2024 05:18 AM

Borneo sketches by Samuel Francis Marryat
 
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Figuure 1. This is a well known etching of an Illonaon (Ilanun, Iranum) pirate that was published from a water color and ink sketch by Samuel Francis Marryat, a French artist who traveled through Borneo in 1848. The site of the sketch is indicated as Tampassook, Borneo. I have also extracted a blow-up of the sword held by this individual and the keris he wears at his waist.

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Figure 2. This appears to have been that pirate's paraw. The figure aft looks very much like the individual in the initial picture, and is wearing identical clothing. At the bow on the lower deck is a large lantaka, a bronze cannon that was used widely in the South China Sea.
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Figure 3. In another sketch, Marryat records a (not very friendly) encounter with a Datu (possibly the Sultan) in Bruni, and his retinue (1848). There is one fellow standing in his canoe who is carrying what appears to be a kampilan, and doing his best to look tough. The other standing figures appear to be women, perhaps the brides of the Datu/Sultan. An interesting composition that captures some tension in the moment.
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Figure 4. "Procession of the Sultan of Gonong Tabor" (1848). Another Marryat sketch. The flag bearer in front has a sword while the other members of the party mostly carry a spear and shield, and wear a keris. The Sultan wears a sword and keris.
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Figure 5. The last Marryat sketch I could find online was this one of Dayak women (no weapons visible).
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gp 29th July 2024 11:38 AM

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one from Smyrna an another Russian

gp 1st August 2024 09:53 AM

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one pic from Dajaks from Serewak , all others from Atjeh
sources: several museums in NL


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